LIVE FROM THE EDINBURGH FRINGE: Gareth Waugh's true crime show & queer coded science

00:00:00: Outcast World, it's Graham.

00:00:01: Edinburgh Fringe special.

00:00:03: I've got some interesting chats coming up today on our daily dispatch.

00:00:08: final week of the fringe The Tuesday Dispatch I'm having a chat to somebody who has a show called Is Pepsi OK?

00:00:15: His name is Gareth War.

00:00:16: he was one of the biggest comedians in Scotland.

00:00:19: He supported all big names Catherine Ryan Daniel Sloss John Bishop from my way And he's an all-round good guy.

00:00:26: Also, if you live in Scotland You'll see him on sort of BBC Radio Scotland and the radio doing stuff.

00:00:32: just He's one of them people.

00:00:35: That's funny and everybody in the area knows them.

00:00:38: so I was literally walking around Edinburgh after our chat that you're about to hear.

00:00:44: we were like walking into George Square going to the underbelly artist bar.

00:00:49: We hung out for a few hours afterwards I felt proper involved the comedians from all different parts of the country.

00:00:56: The part's a country that I'm really interested in as well, like a load of scouts who sat there.

00:00:59: Daniel Schloss' mom and dad didn't realise until they left And his brother aswell.

00:01:04: whole Schloss experience because Gareth is really good mates with Daniel.

00:01:10: If you go see his show it's Pepsi okay?

00:01:15: When he talks about the person he interviewed As the other presenter... and he kept my identity secret for me, which was very kind of him.

00:01:25: And then you also got Daniel Sloss one the biggest comedians in the UK doing sell-out gigs around the world to play me!

00:01:32: So if...and I think it will..I think is Pepsi OK Tours?

00:01:38: I want you see that bit and know that.

00:01:41: um.... That's me and i couldn't be more happy than Daniel Slos playing with me The efforts gone there.

00:01:47: And so anyway, this is it's a really weird story of back in twenty-twenty two.

00:01:51: I'm just going to put even on my side and it's back in Twenty.

00:01:53: Twenty Two.

00:01:54: when i started doing this podcast.

00:01:55: um...I did A summer work for uh..a podcast For a big multinational company let's put that way or So I thought because I was dealing with someone who used to work With me.

00:02:08: there was some one have been professionally involved Because they were working for One.

00:02:13: other companies ended up Working for.

00:02:15: I can't give too much information.

00:02:17: And so you kind of trust someone like that, don't ya?

00:02:19: It comes along.

00:02:20: Do you want to do a podcast and then before you know it You're doing loads of work.

00:02:23: He's going.

00:02:24: I'll pop this on your bill.

00:02:26: stick that in the build put your petrol On your book building up an invoice to give them at The end and there's just some of you've known for years.

00:02:32: and Then all over sudden the Bill goes In and you're ghosted.

00:02:36: So they happen To me one year then They very next Year.

00:02:39: it sounds Like the same Thing Happened Again except Gareth got paid a lot quicker than I did, it only took him a few months for me.

00:02:48: I didn't get paid and sold twenty-twenty four.

00:02:51: so a mad story all round!

00:02:53: And Gareth is somebody that you wouldn't want to fall out with.

00:02:58: the man's got private detectives to track this person down.

00:03:02: he would not leave any stone unturned in Almost true crime, stand-up routine.

00:03:09: It's something that has to be seen to be believed.

00:03:11: so I'm gonna chat with him now and suggest if you're in Edinburgh this week You need go down and see them there And also coming up.

00:03:17: Science for grownups.

00:03:19: it can be done but we the queer tinge its Queer coded all like coming out on Outcast World live from The Edinburgh.

00:03:26: Fringe Labour might say, how high?

00:03:32: And it's not

00:03:33: true.

00:03:33: It is offering

00:03:34: people false hope.

00:03:36: Sex Vating apps have become a breeding ground for the worst of human behaviours In culture.

00:03:44: What do you want home to be?

00:03:45: We get together and we... Be simple Simple Be simple.

00:03:49: from here He will like go nush himself off.

00:03:52: This Is Outcast

00:03:54: World.

00:04:00: Well I'm calling him

00:04:01: to

00:04:02: make sure that he uses questions.

00:04:05: And he was like, the whole second

00:04:06: after

00:04:11: this

00:04:13: show I was like you're a fucking idiot.

00:04:21: He's just like how did fall for it?

00:04:23: and i'm like well do them in one year then they'll be even longer.

00:04:30: we were groomed!

00:04:31: yeah exactly I would say that The Show is basically live version of like a treat because thats why I fell out living through other time which is when... ...I was asked to work on project by person.

00:04:50: I don't even really understand Khorne myself, which is the hardest part to explain.

00:04:55: Not truly should be the main thing, but yeah essentially the band is a charlotte.

00:05:04: Yeah it seems that way doesn't

00:05:06: he?

00:05:07: When you add all together you kind of first why did I not know how to say this?

00:05:10: because uh... This i'm being really careful about how I say this.

00:05:17: Someone I'd work with and known professionally for years!

00:05:21: And when he approached me to do a pop I always thought Sort of not quite right about this.

00:05:27: So at what point did he approach you and get you to do that?

00:05:31: What point was your thinking,

00:05:32: sometimes it seems like... When I first got Alina when i was chasing the fabric.

00:05:34: they bought an email back saying And some day within the company has used our podcast in voice

00:05:40: flashing her due

00:05:41: thought Because I knew straight away.

00:05:43: let's just know how loud we've got.

00:05:45: It's impossible yeah I suppose by digging a little bit more.

00:05:49: But yes as you see me look back

00:05:51: See all

00:05:52: those things you missed.

00:05:54: He was like, how did you fall for it?

00:05:57: And I'm saying what's new in a year?

00:05:59: and we even won.

00:05:59: We were groomed with alcohol in our house.

00:06:02: And then complements of it because

00:06:13: this...I don't do the same thing as you But when someone believes in you, oh!

00:06:20: You'd be really good at this.

00:06:20: I'm not sure if it's re-involved

00:06:22: or not... Yeah?

00:06:22: ...you can't actually

00:06:23: spend that much

00:06:25: of your

00:06:25: time joking about yourself

00:06:26: with me.

00:06:26: I feel like you've done this as well in the screen.

00:06:28: That's exactly how it went.

00:06:29: It was like we believed him and he made believe what he believed to make.

00:06:35: And uh..I think that is something that I'm so upset on most because i was okay but it's hard.

00:06:40: In industry any media one, comedy or radio whatever You feel overlooked to maybe one of the worst things.

00:06:47: Yeah, somebody believes in you that much It feels good and then you want believe it yourself with you... ...you wanna feel like he can't do it.

00:06:53: And thats who they're doing.

00:06:54: So how long did a tinny skit take?

00:06:57: A year?

00:06:57: No its been three months because I chased so hard.

00:06:59: He did chase hard?

00:06:59: Yeah!

00:06:59: He chased harder than me and i was just skipping hours.

00:07:04: I would say cause right after a friend or two friends is very busy time for comedians.

00:07:09: They don't really get their money from our ticket sets To like a proper sort of skit.

00:07:13: and but also I think it was more just like i'm saying what's going on.

00:07:17: I found this fascinating, the fact that his email didn't match up with Bob or his emails shooting them.

00:07:25: when I phoned him though maybe all of who that is so all they started to do was the mystery which then made me chase part of the money in but

00:07:31: same thing

00:07:32: long before.

00:07:33: But...I was chasing for three months And It Was Twelve Hours After I Accused Of Being Fraud That I Caught The Money.

00:07:40: Don't Think If I Hadn'T Done That.

00:07:43: So I waited, I'm thinking that did the work this time all through the summer of twenty-twenty two.

00:07:49: Yeah

00:07:49: and i didn't get the money until Summer of twenty four.

00:07:56: there's only a few more days left to show.

00:07:57: Monkey bout?

00:07:58: Monkey bout?

00:07:59: yeah sorry

00:08:00: it shows every day at four twenty.

00:08:02: It sold out Saturdays Sunday Friday is almost sold out so There are only a couple seconds.

00:08:07: but everyday theres like ten tickets in month.

00:08:09: about ten tickets or pay what you want.

00:08:11: So if you can afford to buy a ticket, You could come into the show anyway and you could make sure it was worth it then.

00:08:16: but do your doughnut balls today just hadn't jabbed ya there.

00:08:19: so... There's always ten tickets!

00:08:22: Come on one of those days we're getting fudged in QL later.

00:08:24: Thanks

00:08:24: for the chat.

00:08:27: Thank

00:08:27: you mate!

00:08:28: Thanks

00:08:28: for involving me in this whole thing.

00:08:30: It has been so mad to just sit and watch it!

00:08:38: Love you mate, love you mate The brilliant and very funny Gareth Warder, who knows everyone in Edinburgh.

00:08:43: Everyone in comedy knows him... ...and you can still catch them for the rest of this week at the Edinburgh Fringe which is on until the thirty-first!

00:08:51: Most of you might not get a chance to do that but if he goes on tour with it then you've got see it Right.

00:08:57: so the fringe vault now And two other people were actually involved But never inconvenienced By that scam Accused alleged scam that me and Gareth fell for.

00:09:11: The last time I spoke to these guys was when i was on a podcast, THAT podcast we're talking about!

00:09:17: That same project that Gareth's done this whole show about...I actually spoke with the next two guys who do loads of improv and this is some work they do with science, it's Science For Grownups And I've just seen Rich from this yesterday, who'd gone to actually see Gareth's show.

00:09:35: So we're seeing him on the end when people were walking out and it was really good to see them again but... But last time I've seen Rich was during this interview that you are about here which is one i was up to record that show a long years ago.

00:09:47: well..I got chance to do an interview with these guys Which has just really fascinated making science more interesting for humans And also queer coded aswell.

00:09:56: Take your listens of this.

00:10:01: Stories for Grown Ups is a project that started because we realized there wasn't... ...a lot of science communication.

00:10:08: For adults especially, That engages the heart as well as mind and so.. We thought hey!

00:10:16: Why don't use storytelling playing science in way thats not gonna bore people to death?

00:10:21: Feel like they're having fun And their bit informed maybe.

00:10:25: So you hope that will leave this show and learn something.

00:10:29: That's

00:10:29: it, that's it.

00:10:30: Yeah It almost like science meets theater.

00:10:33: So as far away from a lecture is he possibly can get and we're trying to animate bits of science To make up bit more accessible.

00:10:39: Like you know molecules speak to each other.

00:10:41: things are like game shows when they shouldn't be gameshows.

00:10:44: I don't things along those lines.

00:10:46: It's been difficult in terms of like, I suppose the way we wrote the stories was that... We always knew there is a bit of science and here's sort of metaphor to explain it.

00:10:55: You've got one attempting to explain thermodynamics so kind of how certain reactions happen when they don't on scale with water bottles but using a metaphor for Titanic.

00:11:08: So its like water molecules falling in love obeying the rules of thermodynamics and the whole love story is built around the Titanic.

00:11:17: There was a nice folk feature, there's an ice cube feature.

00:11:21: if that helps to kind of understand it

00:11:23: It's about like pushing imagination right?

00:11:25: The fact you can imagine a dragon or molecule For the rainbow... ...the metaphor we used.

00:11:32: actually You have a spectrum of sexuality and the fact that sometimes you realise who you are only when your put under pressure society.

00:11:43: And in same way ray-of light realises it's rainbow, Only if its put under the pressure water molecules are ended.

00:11:50: That is such a good question I was gripped by!

00:11:53: Can i ask how did u end up doing this?

00:11:55: Do you have like science background or...

00:11:57: We both met at Edinburgh University studying chemistry.

00:12:01: Right But that was Yeah, like well be around.

00:12:05: So so we kind of yeah maybe didn't speak for a little bit and then kind of rekindle our relationship in the pandemic.

00:12:13: And Julie was writing these science stories.

00:12:15: We were both kind of thinking oh there's something in this.

00:12:17: it Was actually A book.

00:12:19: first Of all with my experience doing The Fringe I thought i really want to do This on stage bring These To life.

00:12:25: That was a kind of process.

00:12:26: I work in science communication outside the festival, so... What's your name?

00:12:29: Science Communication?

00:12:31: One or other many festivals in Edinburgh is The Science Festival.

00:12:34: So In April i would be doing science workshops for kids and shows like bringing science to life For that age range.

00:12:42: but ive never really done anything for adults.

00:12:44: And this challenge This step up into complexity of the science A different audience

00:12:49: Well there also an aspect openness, right?

00:12:53: This this kind of form of putting science and theater together.

00:12:57: It's not really been done before.

00:12:59: No

00:12:59: it hasn't.

00:13:00: And so there is the experimentation with.

00:13:04: We want people to know that they're kind of welcome, and see this thing a bit different.

00:13:09: Because in the end it comes from our passion for science-and-science communication... ...the fact we want outreach with other people in this

00:13:16: way.".

00:13:21: I almost wish this had been done years ago.

00:13:24: Chemistry was my worst subject in school because without being brought to life chemistry can be so dry, can't it?

00:13:30: It could be really tough.

00:13:30: What's

00:13:31: kind of interesting for us is that there would have been science communication up to a point like you go the Science Festival as an eleven year old whatever but then once you get actually studying science at high schools suddenly all those fun bits disappear In terms of engagement and becomes very much.

00:13:46: You're gonna take it seriously, you are not going to do it.

00:13:48: Formulas?

00:13:48: I used to find... It's like really complex maths.

00:13:51: that's what popped me off the school.

00:13:52: That's a big thing.

00:13:53: yeah We actually had one thing last night from Dan, but it was a biology thing.

00:13:59: Yeah

00:13:59: we have a biologist friend who told us that we use the wrong term for body part and...

00:14:04: We said trochia instead of esophagus.

00:14:11: When you breathe in too?

00:14:12: That's the trochea!

00:14:13: The esophagous you eat.

00:14:16: So we've got question written down here I didn't come up with.

00:14:19: this has been suggested to ask what if any element would B and Y. And I thought, do you know what?

00:14:25: Talking to you probably have a favourite element.

00:14:28: both of you don't

00:14:33: Quick to exist but then don't actually exists for very long like this is what they did with their Brainiac back in the day was putting and I think it Was the alkali metal elements where?

00:14:42: They put them in water, and they catch fire explode a little potassium sodium And everything.

00:14:47: But as you try to go further down that list brainiak Actually faked of that experiment when he got here.

00:14:52: some of these Some are the later ones because It was like the explosion would have been too big into or wasn't impressive enough.

00:14:58: I can remember but there's one Of those elements only exists if so on the stable and air that it actually disappears within about a few seconds.

00:15:06: I think its called Franckium or Francium?

00:15:08: Is

00:15:08: is on the periodic table, yes!

00:15:11: That's my favourite.

00:15:12: So i think this would be something like one of... so im going to give you a science answer now.

00:15:17: One of these transition metals.

00:15:18: First of all because they are quite expensive And worth while But also case They're good for something called catalysis then makes chemical reactions just more sustainable.

00:15:30: What

00:15:30: do you mean by sustainable?

00:15:32: They don't blow up.

00:15:33: It means that, You have to use less energy To be able to achieve the same outcome.

00:15:37: Right OK And thats really important now right?

00:15:39: That's why I'm gonna give you a sciencey answer.

00:15:43: Mines uranium Not because i am building some kind of weapon or something like this Just fascinates me cause it is radioactive.

00:15:50: I've only got something that's in the head from what we do on this show, which is just a concept of time slowing down.

00:15:56: The closer you get towards the speed of light... ...I find it like a really weird concept.

00:16:01: so if you were to go out and travel near the speed for a certain period of time You would experience less time In the spaceship than you'd come back younger Than you wouldn't

00:16:16: have done earlier.

00:16:17: And i'm gonna look into.

00:16:19: Let me ask you a question then.

00:16:20: Did anybody talk about time and all that?

00:16:22: Black holes, right... Is it true if in the black hole they're like old-time stops?

00:16:29: I think theoretically yes!

00:16:30: No one's ever tried this.

00:16:32: so...

00:16:33: That was what equations say.

00:16:35: maybe yeah There

00:16:36: is only one way to find out It's sort of spaceship.

00:16:39: Thank You guys love that The lovely Rich and Julia doing science for grown-ups.

00:16:43: I spoke to at a Edinburgh fringe just a few years ago And actually bumped into rich through the day, it was lovely.

00:16:49: To see him Um...and uh..I love the way those two get in there.

00:16:53: Just stuff that's queer coded whilst teaching people science and all about that.

00:16:58: Tomorrow on the show i catch up with the absolutely brilliant Joey Jennings!

00:17:02: Im off to see this show This evening.

00:17:05: Little Pink Dress is the show, but we've got a full chat coming with Joey who has flown in from New York to be at The Fringe this year.

00:17:14: It's very difficult to explain rock country crossover on a story about somebody that's lived the American dream and gay guy that's live the American Dream In the big cities And also experienced some of the pitfalls of queer life in some of America's biggest cities and that will be on the show tomorrow.

00:17:35: Live from Edinburgh, we'll see

00:17:40: you then!