Will it be more of the same from Burnham?

00:00:00: Today, an outcast world.

00:00:01: London has suffered its hottest June day on record.

00:00:05: It's so hot that I can't go in the studio So i'm going to be a guest On my own show.

00:00:10: from my own living room sat there Nick Charles.

00:00:13: This is an actual studio in Manchester and today we're talking about Andy Burnham And how people are starting To look at what he might Be like for queer People on issues Like Gaza and on immigration as well.

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00:02:13: In other news... We did talk about Andy Burnham My good friend Andy from Round the Corner.

00:02:18: So I was.

00:02:20: You sent me a message through The Beach and you were like.. You pointed out something he'd done And i dared to bout it.

00:02:24: Yeah And I think that put into back of my mind Because I thought He's clearly the only person who can beat the form That seems like the worst possible thing.

00:02:35: It is kind more I learned concerned about, but you put this really interesting thing to me.

00:02:42: About his immigration stuff isn't it?

00:02:44: Yeah yeah yeah well not only that I feel like these are my whole.

00:02:49: take on him because he's in line to be sworn and its gonna happen.

00:02:56: i think These Are My Pros & Cons of Andy Burnham.

00:02:59: I Think He Connects Well Emotionally With Voters.

00:03:02: His Biggest Strength Is His Political Communication.

00:03:05: he comes across authentic.

00:03:06: He's especially compared with but when compared to like the Westminster Technorats, I call them technocrats not technocrat techno rats.

00:03:14: now during covid his his standoff with Boris Johnson over Greater Manchester funding turned him into a symbol of Norden resistance and it was you know regional pride And You Know that he'd been branded as King Of The Nords.

00:03:27: Now As well as That i think he has the strongest advocate for English Devolution.

00:03:33: His whole political identity is tied to the idea of UK's too London centric, his Manchesterism agenda Integrated public services and economic de-centralization.

00:03:49: now.

00:03:49: He's one of the few.

00:03:51: I'm pretty sure what I did.

00:03:52: I didn't some look into this a few months ago.

00:03:54: he is one of The few senior labor figures who's constantly argued that not should Not just be managed from Westminster, which i totally believe in.

00:04:03: But you think

00:04:03: you'll do it?

00:04:03: Do You Think he's

00:04:04: gonna go through

00:04:07: this?

00:04:07: well does his thing?

00:04:08: I don't know And I think that is where his credibility comes from him, you know being seen as a Norden powerhouse kind of vibe.

00:04:16: Now he might not be electorally stronger than Labour's current Westminster brand because he is based in the North.

00:04:22: now polling and commentary Increasingly frame him as someone who could reconnect labour with working-class Northern votes drifting towards not an idol forage and reform UK.

00:04:33: No, they think what Andy is.

00:04:36: He blends social moderate language, he has a regional identity and he has sensor left economics.

00:04:42: And that is politically valuable right now.

00:04:45: Now this where my brain is at.

00:04:48: So you're with him.

00:04:50: so far?

00:04:51: This all sounds good.

00:04:52: Yeah!

00:04:53: So far He can look opportunistic or ideologically slippery because I love.

00:04:58: people have said Burnham adapts his political depending on the audience which it's right.

00:05:03: i think he blends in that chameleon when needed That.

00:05:06: what Now

00:05:08: do you think that's good or bad?

00:05:09: because sometimes You need to do a bit of it.

00:05:10: Don't use again.

00:05:11: Yeah, I think you have to climb the ladder but you have To be able to not walk on you after walking eggshells and not hurt The people around you who got your way in it too.

00:05:20: at the same time now?

00:05:22: You know his shift on Brexit And you know he knows is

00:05:25: what just gives shift on brexit as you mean like He was he was pro euro and now he's saying we don't want to have another referendum.

00:05:32: I think everyone knows what that means really though, it just means like... He doesn't wanna piss off people from like Wigan which is essentially proving you can get through by doing that hasn't he?

00:05:40: Exactly!

00:05:41: My whole thing of this right a strong mayor doesn't Automatically equal you as a strong prime minister because there's two different things.

00:05:48: You're controlling the city and the town, your controlling our country.

00:05:52: These are big things Because running great in Manchester is not the same as running the Treasury The foreign policy, the fence.

00:05:59: The mayor

00:05:59: of Manchester has got a budget Of about three billion.

00:06:02: It was one of bigger ones like London at Controlled Health and Social Care.

00:06:05: So I think it's true that all these are just nice things.

00:06:10: he's saying Yeah.

00:06:12: What's the issue then?

00:06:13: This is

00:06:15: my thing and this where I stand in it.

00:06:18: We all know that our trans community is in a disarray at the minute.

00:06:24: Now, these are what i feel things get very political delicate Now, historically Andy Burnham has had a reputation as I think pretty sure he's LGBTQ friendly.

00:06:35: He has apologized for historical discrimination against the LGBTQ plus people of Manchester by Greater Manchester Police and is generally used in inclusive language.

00:06:44: but more recently after the UK legal and policy debates around single sex spaces he moved towards.

00:06:53: His current framing is roughly accept the Supreme Court guidance and protect single sex spaces, but avoid marginalizing trans people.

00:07:04: Now that- But by

00:07:05: doing that he's marginalising trans people

00:07:07: isn't it?

00:07:07: Exactly!

00:07:07: Exactly now.

00:07:09: That means gender critical campaigners think he lacks clarity while many trans advocates feel like he has retreated from stronger support.

00:07:19: So what we're getting there though is he won't make you won't tell us.

00:07:22: What do you think?

00:07:23: Because he's frightened of pissing off the people that he voted in,

00:07:25: which I'm

00:07:26: not thinking needs to lead a pinion.

00:07:28: exactly.

00:07:29: You need to.

00:07:30: you need to stand on business when it comes to stuff like this because the people especially in Manchester Which is relatively openly one of the most queer cities in Britain instead of Brighton Manchester is known for being real as being quite as hell.

00:07:46: And if you are marching alongside your fellow trans people in Manchester, You have to be able to look around where you come from and take that fight To Westminster.You have to stand on business girl.

00:07:58: He did say one thing.

00:07:59: he said I was interested In bringing in proportional representation.

00:08:03: So no we're not first past the post thing That keeps on giving these distorted outcomes.

00:08:07: Yeah The only thing that I think might change on, is he won't make a field by nearly fifty-five percent of the vote.

00:08:14: If you're pulling in numbers like that You can have to be pretty solid like morally to stick To.

00:08:19: there aren't your other things?

00:08:20: because right now this system as it is favours him.

00:08:22: So we see gonna stick to that.

00:08:24: Is he going basically being another Labour politician?

00:08:26: That just wants to fucking shit on their rights and trans people again by brain?

00:08:29: Oh well i don't know.

00:08:30: And just saying meet some words.

00:08:32: they try and Like move them through that situation.

00:08:35: but what bothered me so much was reading the um him essentially agreeing with Nigel Farage.

00:08:42: that troubled me like I've been on a full circle.

00:08:44: but this brand and stuff yeah

00:08:45: what did you think?

00:08:47: i think personally, i think anybody who isn't isn't like britain born or immigrated here are going to feel you know a little bit you know disheartened.

00:08:58: And i think well because Farage treats immigration primarily as uh border control issue.

00:09:05: But Burnham, I feel like he's trying to treat it more as a pressure on public services integration.

00:09:10: is you now does declare his distinction whole so far?

00:09:13: However however think He i Think the statement he made supporting Nigel in away where immigration came into came into play.

00:09:24: It

00:09:24: detention camps wasn't?

00:09:26: yeah?

00:09:27: Yeah, I see that that in a roundabout way, they're just saying we don't want you here get out.

00:09:34: Yeah it sounds like not.

00:09:36: It does.

00:09:36: and now my whole thing is.

00:09:40: I really hope he recognizes.

00:09:42: if the mainstream parties was to discuss immigration pressures honestly voters will move towards Nigel.

00:09:50: so he needs know what hes doing right now.

00:09:53: If it's him getting swannered He will be

00:09:59: prime minister.

00:10:00: was emigration but I did.

00:10:02: obviously it's mad that we're saying this immigration Will go so low, but it goes Into reverse people.

00:10:07: more people leave in the country than are arriving.

00:10:10: So if that would deal to my dad with the ultimate end goal and its here what the fuck now?

00:10:14: What next?

00:10:15: because he doesn't seem to be enough for like restored as a you were coming up.

00:10:18: Yeah things like Remigration.

00:10:20: then where does an end?

00:10:22: yeah

00:10:23: there is not pleasing i think.

00:10:26: i think politically Inclined, like I think he's very on the board with what-with... ...what he can do.

00:10:32: I think we could re-see real change if he steps into Westminster.

00:10:36: My problem is.. ..I just don't want him to bend backwards for The Labour Party On certain things because when that happens you look weak Because keep in mind it You are potentially now at a Northern powerhouse.

00:10:51: So the thing that i'm gonna pin down his as well as trans rights Is the tough stuff Gaza Like, he won't call it a genocide.

00:10:57: He refused to even know the UN and a load of legal experts have done

00:11:01: that... And then

00:11:02: he's hired... Did you see we hide as his chief of staff?

00:11:05: His Chief of Staff is James Pernell who was former cabinet minister under Tony Blair whatever.

00:11:08: so was Andy Blair.

00:11:10: but he's the former chair of Labour Friends Of Israel Who ran a lobbying firm called Flint Global who resigned on Wednesday.

00:11:17: They advised Thames Waters bondholders.

00:11:19: These are people fighting the nationalisation of Thames Water in their utilities Advising them on how to avoid it.

00:11:27: then he's in the government that says, It's gonna nationalize these things.

00:11:32: What's going to give exactly?

00:11:33: The more I learn the more

00:11:34: worried.

00:11:34: yeah And and i think That is what a lot of people have not allowed because as usual you know like when When do use when bullets win these members up These mirrors become like you.

00:11:45: knowing People Become Again a new position.

00:11:48: all eyes are on you and this is where the conversation Is going to start being framed in a way.

00:11:52: Where it's a make or break moment.

00:11:55: Sadly, it is.

00:11:57: It sadly for him is a little bit tougher because when we had former ministers who were Who became prime ministers?

00:12:04: It was with The conservative.

00:12:07: I know one better eye.

00:12:08: no one cared people talk but he wasn't.

00:12:09: But now that you are making actual change All eyes is under Labour Party right now.

00:12:15: Yeah, yeah.

00:12:15: I know just the conservatives stopped saying that you notice they stop.

00:12:19: They stopped attacking them on the line.

00:12:20: if he can't change prime minister because they did it how many times before?

00:12:23: Can remember?

00:12:24: Alyssa can't remember.

00:12:26: in fact isn't it mad?

00:12:26: but it just feels so low?

00:12:27: Oh well, yeah cool.

00:12:29: Yeah Burnham's having a go.

00:12:31: Yeah We're gonna have to go soon.

00:12:33: at this point we're going to run for black LGBTQ plus man.

00:12:41: God would never make an happen.

00:12:43: Look on it, look at the trade.

00:12:46: Look how they treated dying just for drinking a fucking gin on a train

00:12:49: and I

00:12:50: know I mean

00:12:52: or not be able to do quick maths on LBC at seven.

00:12:55: forty five in the morning she's like.

00:12:56: no She's fucking tired.

00:12:58: yeah Yeah.

00:13:00: And also when

00:13:00: she appears on TV my husband calls her Auntie Diane every time.

00:13:06: We love Auntie Diane We do love it.

00:13:09: Yeah, so those are my hot takes about like what.

00:13:11: I wish Andy Burnham the best?

00:13:13: I feel like.

00:13:14: yeah, actually...

00:13:15: I really hope that he-I really hope he stands on business and i really hope He does things as required for him And hopefully he takes a spirit of Manchester to Westminster because we need a bit.

00:13:29: I live up here and i know where it's like to live in,in a city like this.

00:13:33: And its very different then is very friendly..and you know...is very open for people.I really hope that he takes that sportsmanship of Manchester to

00:13:43: a mindset.

00:13:44: Yeah, open mind set.

00:13:45: yeah it'd be good if you did and I think there's such a place isn't that for like...I can't remember the being in Northern Prime Minister.

00:13:51: no might just do something for um i know he's part of the establishment but it might just Do Something For People Up North.

00:13:58: they'll be like.

00:13:58: oh well he has absolutely listened to us because she can't.

00:14:01: A lot of prejudice and a lot of Brexit, it's all based on the idea that people up north feel like they're being shit on by the fact

00:14:12: that London is bigger than it.

00:14:13: And we get forgotten about... The North suffers the most when London is the biggest place in London.

00:14:23: Yeah but

00:14:23: London has the engine isn't there?

00:14:24: That's the argument!

00:14:25: London brings money for the country.

00:14:30: Everyone else is.

00:14:31: the wheels are turning everywhere.

00:14:32: was for the engine to run.

00:14:33: No, I mean

00:14:34: yeah Yeah, no totally totally well i think i think ultimately.

00:14:38: um I hope it works But let's be honest It's fifty-fifty that will be back here in eighteen months.

00:14:45: just being really disappointed You know.

00:14:47: and all of this stuff comes out turns out.

00:14:48: he doesn't like change course on gars or any That stuff that bothers us And we could be just back here In a same position.

00:14:55: indeed looking

00:14:55: at Nigel Farage as prime minister Nick, I'll let you back to your days.

00:14:58: Thanks very much for watching.

00:14:59: No worries darling!