The Fox News Regular Who Sells Paid Protesters

00:00:00: Yesterday, the lawn of The White House was turned into a Roman amphitheatre complete with cage crowd and grown men paid to beat each other bloody.

00:00:07: Staged as birthday present to an eighty year old president And by end of night this is what everyone's talking about

00:00:16: A

00:00:28: former first lady not there to defend herself called a man on the lawn to cheers, because that it seems is where we are.

00:00:37: And hold that thought Because at the very same time that the eighty-year old president was hosting his birthday blood sport, millions of other Americans were doing something else entirely.

00:00:47: They took to the streets again a fresh round of no kings protests town after town The largest sustained wave of protest that the country has seen in a generation.

00:00:57: and like clockwork... ...the response from the MAGA

00:00:59: crowd

00:01:00: Was the one we always hear.

00:01:02: It's fake!

00:01:03: they're paid.

00:01:04: Their crisis actors have been busting AstroTurf.

00:01:07: it's ransomob None.

00:01:08: this is real.

00:01:09: Which brings me to my guest today, because here is a man who really does this for a living.

00:01:14: He sells protesters crowds-to-order fo... whoever's prepared to pay.

00:01:18: A lot of times there is a case where hippies with the trust fund are out their protesting, but conservatives more likely have jobs and families so actually they require little bit more incentive turn it into demonstration.

00:01:31: Only

00:01:31: he says that doesn't just work for one side... He'll do this for anyone!

00:01:35: And after we went on Fox News to come down from the federal government, someone once offered him millions… twenty million dollars actually..to manufacture an anti-Trump crowd.

00:01:43: You

00:01:44: say you turned in a twenty million dollar offer pay protesters against

00:01:48: Trump.

00:01:48: We went and looked at the actual history of his work, beer.

00:01:53: I mean, yeah but that's not performative.

00:02:19: That just performance of outrage.

00:02:21: But this is how things get done in Louisiana

00:02:25: for very tall people who were very big because they're more intimidating apparently.

00:02:30: Is that constructive?

00:02:30: Well well LA Times took out a word out of context.

00:02:34: you know.

00:02:35: which way did it take out the context?

00:02:37: intimidation.

00:02:37: and so what i meant was The word intimidating has two meanings, intimidating can be used like menacing and intimidating could use a strong presence.

00:02:49: His name is Adam Swartt.

00:02:51: his company called Crowds.

00:02:52: on Demand.

00:02:53: I asked for twenty minutes.

00:02:55: he had a forty minute chat with me.

00:02:56: it was genuinely fascinating.

00:02:58: this has outcast the world

00:03:09: Sex.

00:03:09: Fating apps have become a breeding ground for the worst of human behaviours.

00:03:15: And culture.

00:03:16: What do you want to hold me?

00:03:17: We get together and we... Be simple Simple.

00:03:20: Be simple,

00:03:21: for me He will like go nush himself off.

00:03:24: This is Outcast

00:03:26: World.

00:03:29: Well start with this.

00:03:30: You've become a real go-to voice on protest.

00:03:34: I've been watching the clips Before we got kind of into The.

00:03:38: the headlines take me back to the start.

00:03:40: Uh, that's correct Graham.

00:03:42: So yeah I started this business almost fifteen years ago.

00:03:45: uh i was a student at UCLA.

00:03:47: I worked on a lot of political campaigns mostly On the democratic side?

00:03:51: I definitely consider myself a political Independent.

00:03:54: but if you are doing anything in california politics It's it's really gotta be on the democratic site although we'll see how your the fellow subject of his majesty, Mr.

00:04:03: Hilton does in a gubernatorial contest.

00:04:07: uh what we'll see.

00:04:09: but at any rate that'd be funny honestly because if he actually does win then the two republicans who were governor of california will both have been foreign born in the past.

00:04:22: this century California...the law really pushes the idea.

00:04:30: anything consequential on a local or state issue, even like ultra-local neighborhood issues.

00:04:36: Why was that?

00:04:37: So because to fight the idea of this smoke filled back room.

00:04:41: right.

00:04:42: so in old days you know pre the progressive era if we want get into American politics The Progressive Era Was In The Early Nineteen Hundreds All These Decisions Would Be In A Smoke Filled Backroom?

00:04:54: Maybe Union Bosses Management Big Corporate Big Wigs They Would All Decide This Stuff.

00:05:00: One of the ideas, especially in California that we have is the idea of public meetings.

00:05:04: You have to have a meeting that it's advertised as open to the public with the relevant decision makers and the room where everyone can comment.

00:05:13: so what do we do?

00:05:14: companies like ours on but also interest groups?

00:05:17: Everyone.

00:05:18: what they need to do is turn people out of the meeting.

00:05:21: So now, that contest instead being in a back room... Now it's like who can turn most people into this meeting?

00:05:30: Right In some respect could not have correlation with public support?

00:05:36: Sure!

00:05:37: But basically each interest group trying their own people to try and convey That has the highest

00:05:44: level.

00:05:45: This where your business comes right

00:05:47: That's correct.

00:05:48: That's very correct So oftentimes.

00:05:51: now what the misnomer about my business Graham is that a lot of people think oh well Adam as You know someone who's paying protesters, right?

00:06:00: We're worse on the side if this small minority Well actually in general we are not in that side were actually on the site of the silent Silent majority house.

00:06:10: so what happens is Okay, let me give you an example.

00:06:13: so la city council.

00:06:16: Well, we can talk beyond California because our company is nationwide.

00:06:19: But this where I got my start.

00:06:20: so why?

00:06:21: probably more about California?

00:06:23: Didn't you stop with kind of paparazzi celebrity kind of drumming up a bit something around that?

00:06:28: yeah

00:06:28: So but basically in California.

00:06:30: So there's the good example.

00:06:32: There was a bill proposed in the Los Angeles City Council to ban child sex offenders from camping near schools, right?

00:06:40: Because a lot of people in LA live kind of campin' at tents.

00:06:42: They're mostly junkies unfortunately.

00:06:45: So that uh... To me That's self-evident.

00:06:47: Right.

00:06:48: why Of course!

00:06:49: That should not be allowed.

00:06:50: Well most there were no one..There Was No One In The City Council That Was There To Support This Bill.

00:06:57: Why?

00:06:58: because We would assume that was banned anywhere.

00:07:00: I mean, if you ask any normal person right wing left-wing they will assume like of course They can't out that it can be the case.

00:07:06: well three hundred protesters Um stormed la city council meeting to oppose this idea.

00:07:14: so

00:07:15: with these not your protesters These were

00:07:17: different Of course Yes.

00:07:20: So my point is?

00:07:22: These guys i don't know whether they were paid or not But they were at basically agitators who were opposed the idea that child sex offenders should not be allowed to camp outside schools.

00:07:35: So, th-the point being is there's a lot of nutty people who can bring in large numbers and then persuade the public—they're–the public officials –to adopt their side of things.

00:07:49: so crowds on demand as often they are actually the oppositional force because the people we recruit are just normal people.

00:07:58: They're

00:07:58: not normal people, they are actors by

00:08:02: definition.

00:08:03: So that's actually a little bit of a misnomer.

00:08:05: so we started...

00:08:05: But what would you call them when hiring to play the role?

00:08:07: I mean for most people say it was

00:08:10: acting.

00:08:11: Yeah well let me put this way When i started business in two thousand twelve yes It mostly acted like the gang economy before even called it act.

00:08:21: but here is thing We have changed over past several years and Our focus is providing sincere, enthusiastic participants.

00:08:30: So maybe they're actors but maybe there's someone who works with Chefs at McDonald?

00:08:35: Sure!

00:08:35: A lot

00:08:36: of actors do because it not a lot work.

00:08:38: But these are people pretending to be something that isn't being paid or we can agree on the reasons.

00:08:43: What are they pretending?

00:08:44: so if you support let just say You support the idea of better public transit in your city, right?

00:08:52: So let's just say I'm doing something in London.

00:08:56: We want more funding for The Tube.

00:08:59: Well okay that is great!

00:09:16: They have kids, they have responsibilities.

00:09:18: So I have to pay them To show up...to express their sincere views.

00:09:23: You

00:09:24: said before that there weren't any sincere views.

00:09:25: some of them were acting so we're not sure if someone shared the view but you are giving them a financial incentive aren't

00:09:31: ya?

00:09:31: Well, no I'm.

00:09:32: I am compensating them for their timing like presume.

00:09:35: I don't know actually in the structure of this show whether you're compensated But you should be compensated right?

00:09:40: You are working.

00:09:41: you were doing a show.

00:09:42: I assume that the opinions that you express or your sincere opinions Right what you are Presumably getting paid.

00:09:51: Or if you're not I hope you do soon get paid to host your show.

00:09:56: so that does not negate the sincerity of your opinions.

00:10:00: If you are an attorney and a left-wing or right wing attorney, You could be a sincere attorney yet get paid to express those views.

00:10:11: so The principle being compensated doesn't in itself negates the sincerity.

00:10:19: So

00:10:21: the idea that um, The silent majority is more likely to be busy working bringing up families so the Suggestion by that Is That?

00:10:29: The Silent Majority Often Refers To A Kind Of Conservative Majority Doesn't It.

00:10:33: So The Suggestions People On The Other Side Don'T Have Jobs And Don'T have Responsibilities Which I think kind of doesn't really Stack Up.

00:10:40: They've Both Got Jobs and Both Got Responsibilities.

00:10:42: By The Way When i say silent majority i don't mean right Left.

00:10:48: Well, but let me be clear.

00:10:50: For example in the United States um The uh people who want common-sense regulation on uh firearms are I would say are the silent majority.

00:11:00: So there's a vocal.

00:11:02: i think most americans support the second amendment But they don't want convicted felons to be running around with firearms right?

00:11:10: But you have very small minority on the far right that controls the politics.

00:11:17: Um, that prevents us.

00:11:18: So when I say silent majority let me be clear i'm not refer-I think there's a silent majority That sometimes supports the Quote-unquote left wing position and there's a silent majority that sometimes supports the quote unquote conservative position.

00:11:33: Okay, but this is a challenge because I think you have There's split to put the debate among.

00:11:38: The Left Is actually more.

00:11:41: what can we do while still winning whereas?

00:11:44: A debate on the right as more irreconcilable.

00:11:47: so if You Think About the Debate Between Starmer And you know, the more left wing, you know Polanski or whoever Jeremy Corbyn whatever.

00:11:56: Right?

00:11:57: A lot of it is that Keir Starmer's like.

00:11:59: look I he Kear Starmer won right and those guys did it right.

00:12:06: so The last two labor politicians to win were both moderates.

00:12:13: they were Starmer And they were Tony Blair.

00:12:15: all if the non-moderate I mean Miliband tried to kind thread the needle, but he wasn't very charismatic.

00:12:23: And Corbyn was monstered by The Press in the same way Sanders was, you know?

00:12:29: He earned a Corbyne won a bigger majority and we had a general election in twenty seventeen then huge number of votes because obviously it was distorted.

00:12:41: Well, you know well babe but Corbin ultimately he won more than was projected But he did lose

00:12:47: under the first pass to post system.

00:12:49: But in terms of this share-of-the-vote Corbin actually had a higher share Of the vote than Keir Starmer had.

00:12:54: what because of the way that?

00:12:55: You don't have

00:12:56: there how it's Well and misses.

00:12:59: This is sort of the challenge.

00:13:00: And and this is why the two party system Is so powerful and I don't like The Two Party System in our country.

00:13:08: And what's kind of interesting is our systems have actually gone the opposite way.

00:13:15: In Britain, you have two parties that can the labor and the Tories.

00:13:20: They've both kind of gone to the center right?

00:13:22: And the people at the more edges are like WTF.

00:13:26: they're not reflecting our views now in our country or tree.

00:13:29: in United States we had two parties who have both got into the extreme.

00:13:32: The Democrats have gotten more left and Republicans have gone more rights.

00:13:36: so it's kinda interesting your country here.

00:13:38: Your two parties traditional parties have gone very much to the Center which leaves gap in the extremes, um our parties have very much gone to the extremes.

00:13:49: Which leads a gap

00:13:53: in

00:14:08: certainly has some overlap with center, like I consider myself a centrist.

00:14:13: But centrism is often associated with weakness and there are certain policies where i support more left-wing policy.

00:14:22: for example in America im the leftist on health care.

00:14:26: people shouldn't have to pay dime of healthcare because when you get cancer diagnosis what's first thing most do they put up?

00:14:36: go fund me.

00:14:37: I mean, in.

00:14:39: this is uncivilized.

00:14:40: This was barbaric.

00:14:41: so you can call me a far leftist but i'm sorry.

00:14:44: I don't think people should die because of lack of action.

00:14:48: very much agree on that?

00:14:50: Can ask your question about... You've got on your website says she's run campaigns the ended forms of anti-LGBT discrimination by insurance companies.

00:15:02: That's her real claim.

00:15:03: tell

00:15:05: Yeah, so this is really interesting.

00:15:07: So I'm sure you may be aware of.

00:15:10: there's a drug called Truvada also known as PrEP right?

00:15:14: This is an HIV prevention drug.

00:15:17: So our listeners are very familiar with PrEP.

00:15:20: it has been a game changer for gay men in particular they're not dying anymore.

00:15:26: Absolutely and its critical drugs.

00:15:28: what was fascinating about this?

00:15:34: Insurance companies were denying life insurance coverage or jacking up the rates for people who took prep, right?

00:15:43: So this are Truvada.

00:15:45: Right?

00:15:45: so this is a backdoor to discriminate against the LGBT community because obviously it's not

00:15:52: discrimination that isn't really.

00:15:54: if you've seen to be taking preventions for HIV care then discriminated against you as an inferior area and

00:16:01: I I completely agree with Graham.

00:16:02: And in fact, that should actually make you a better candidate for insurance.

00:16:07: the fact that your taking this drug could prevent th-the onset of those uh...of that disease.

00:16:13: So how

00:16:14: did you help out here?

00:16:16: So what we did was we pushed so in the United States every state has what's called an insurance commissioner.

00:16:26: are elected officials so their job is to regulate the insurance companies.

00:16:31: So we organized protests, we organized phone banking ,we organize in-person meetings for these insurance commissioners particularly targeting those who claim to be LGBT friendly and said look you have to take action and put these insurance companies on notice that this is unacceptable!

00:16:49: You shouldn't even ask about it And you certainly should not be using this in any way as a means to deny people coverage and actually, in particular.

00:16:59: So of course the California New York or two of the biggest states in United States both with who had very friendly to LGBT issues.

00:17:08: so we really focused primarily on those two states uh In addition to others.

00:17:13: but those two state's both kind of announced that they were looking at this.

00:17:17: their insurance commissioners announced it It maybe two weeks later, the issue was resolved.

00:17:23: Interesting!

00:17:24: So who put you up to that?

00:17:28: I presumed somebody somewhere paid...

00:17:29: Sure well i'll put it this way we don't.

00:17:34: there's a lot.

00:17:34: We have a lot of customers That love to be in the background and even though they all would rather

00:17:40: be on the background

00:17:41: Well And Ill tell you why is because They Don't want To Be The Subject Of The Hate & Vitriol On The Internet Right.

00:17:50: So think about how hateful, I mean.

00:17:51: you know as anyone who's been in media at all knows How hateful the internet can be toward both liberals.

00:17:59: concert is whatever they'll pick on You Whatever.

00:18:02: so a lot of donors actually use us As A vehicle to advocate for their positions okay?

00:18:09: so They'll sew.

00:18:11: sew because now In United States The Supreme Court has Actually affirmed the right Of anonymous civic participation.

00:18:19: And the reason that's so important is the idea like, hey maybe I am the CEO of a publicly traded company.

00:18:26: Maybe on the board?

00:18:27: I should be able to engage in politics further into my convictions and not kind of experience professional consequences or threats or whatever... Is this

00:18:38: just another term for dark money shielded from any scrutiny entering politics?

00:18:45: This is just different way of arguing about that.

00:18:47: My issue with this is paid advocacy ultimately serves whoever has the deepest pockets, as I see it and the deepest pockets have rarely been on the side of minority groups, LGBTQ people in particular.

00:19:01: so how do you see if there's anything but a tool for power to fake a grassroots that sometimes doesn't have?

00:19:10: Well can i dispute your premise?

00:19:14: Well, at least again speaking in the United States context actually on big money groups were Actually one of them to some of the biggest forces now not initially but over the past twenty years On the gay rights LGBT rights issues right?

00:19:29: It was actually corporations that have actually put pressure on Officials To actually do the right.

00:19:36: How are we saying

00:19:37: this?

00:19:37: so when I'm talking about target putting a pride flag on its thing all year We're talking.

00:19:42: company is saying, look if you're going to kind of adopt certain like bathroom laws.

00:19:48: I mean the type i'm talking about where you say oh well you have to use the bathroom in your original gender of birth or we are

00:19:57: disabled bathroom as a new development yeah

00:20:01: right?

00:20:02: Or uh... I like my privacy.

00:20:05: I just want private stalls, you know?

00:20:06: I prefer gender-neutral private stalls... ...I don't wanna be urinating next to anybody of

00:20:12: any gender.

00:20:13: I've got a gender neutral bathroom at home!

00:20:15: I always say this to people.. I use the gender neutral bath room on a plane.

00:20:19: it's not a problem for me.

00:20:20: Right that's right although those aren't the best but yeah.

00:20:25: so what i would say is that the corporations now again for their own purposes, okay.

00:20:37: Have actually done a lot to further the LGBT issue in the United

00:20:43: States?

00:20:43: Is this because at that time they say when we... The Democrats were last in there was people.

00:20:50: I guess some companies thought That This Was A Way To Corey Favre.

00:20:53: I used to work For Very Big Media Giant Who Paid For Huge DEI Program and i was At The Center Of That.

00:21:00: And then the political wins changed and the way to curry favor with those in charge, I think often at The White House was to strip out all of that.

00:21:08: And i think sometimes people have whatever direction That the winds are going they're using them.

00:21:14: Sometimes corporations are hundred percent Corporations

00:21:18: or but yes corporations are focused on bringing On making money.

00:21:23: Of course They aren't it's a capitalist society.

00:21:26: But your premise Was saying Money has never been on the side of the LGBT community.

00:21:31: And what I'm saying is that's not explicitly free, um... That it actually in The Recent Pastor even today- Even now?

00:21:39: Yes!

00:21:39: I mean all i'm seeing Today Is the ultimate reversal of our rights.

00:21:45: Well,I think On the trans issue specifically some companies have Have been kind Of pulling back correct but It is Now In part due to major Corporations including by the way Hollywood rate And again, Hollywood is.

00:21:59: it's fun to beat up on Hollywood.

00:22:00: They should be beating up on by the way.

00:22:02: but On the other hand, Hollywood was pushed a lot of LGBT acceptance through whether it's through shows like Will and Grace in the nineteen nineties or whether its you know uh an Whether It's Through Writers An Oval Of Other Things.

00:22:17: So The Idea That Money Hasn't Helped The LGBT Community Believe Me There Was A Lot More Money For LGBT Causes then again.

00:22:26: So if you look at in the past twenty years, In the past Twenty Years in United States.

00:22:31: Yes The LDS the Mormon Church has is the main funder.

00:22:35: Maybe some evangelical groups Funder against it.

00:22:38: There's a lot more money.

00:22:39: If You Look At Any LGBT Related Ballot Measure there's A Lot More Money For It Than There Is Against It.

00:22:46: so the money Has Definitely Been on the Side of the lgbt Community.

00:22:50: Why yes?

00:22:52: OK, there's ulterior motives.

00:22:54: Yes, the whole society—the glory of our country and why I'm happy that we separated from your wonderful country is that we made a better system than you in my opinion hate to say it.

00:23:05: but our system in United States is based on self-interest right?

00:23:10: It's not based on people doing the right thing —it's based upon people serving their self interest.

00:23:14: so before Our Founding fathers wrote The Federalist Papers where they were arguing about How do we actually form a government?

00:23:23: We know people are not perfect.

00:23:27: The founding fathers were slave owners, they had plenty of flaws themselves and intimately aware of their own flaws.

00:23:34: So they understood that they need to make a society That was based on people not doing the right thing, but doing what's in there enlightened self-interest.

00:23:42: so a corporation that supports LGBT causes because They think it's good press Because they want to get lgbt consumers whatever The case may be is still doing the Right Thing.

00:23:53: the fact that he might Be Doing It for reasons that are impure Is actually Fine.

00:23:59: And it's like people are.

00:24:01: there is a very, very few people who're going to do the right thing if it doesn't suit them?

00:24:04: People will mostly only Do The Right Thing If It Does Suit Them.

00:24:07: its incumbent on assist them To Support People To Do The right Thing.

00:24:11: Okay So it seems that this business That you're in that started out following celebrities and has since been used for all kinds of different stuff to influence public discourse.

00:24:24: It Seems It Can Be Used One Way Or The Other way and we've heard some really concrete examples there.

00:24:30: And thank you for that, it's really up my eyes!

00:24:33: There are some specifics... ...and things that have gone on in the past.

00:24:36: I mean i'm just going to rattle through a few of them.

00:24:38: In twenty eighteen New Orleans council hearings paid actors your company provided in matching shirts scripted testimony apparently for gas plant.

00:24:45: Some given fake identities including posing as Hurricane Katrina survivors.

00:24:49: Help me square That with constructive advocacy.

00:24:55: Admittedly, we don't always get things right all the time.

00:24:58: But um what happened there?

00:25:01: Well well first of all let me say it's New Orleans.

00:25:05: politics is a little bit of a rough and tumble world Right?

00:25:08: uh Eddie Edwards The former governor Of Louisiana once said in Louisiana will keep in mind this was long time ago.

00:25:15: In Louisiana politics you're not in trouble unless You got found with A dead girl or alive boy.

00:25:20: That was that.

00:25:23: So so it's a little rich, the New Orleans City Council place you can probably walk in with This is like, so it's a little rich for them to kind of insult.

00:25:41: I mean look i don't know the specifics.

00:25:42: Look we work all around the country but

00:25:44: you were fine.

00:25:45: The council find the energy company.

00:25:47: five million dollars over It.

00:25:48: that's not small beer?

00:25:49: Yeah

00:25:49: But national performative...I mean That just performative.

00:25:53: Let us performative outrage.

00:25:54: Uh this how things get done in Louisiana.

00:25:57: first Of All Number two they needed.

00:26:00: So let's talk about the power plant.

00:26:01: right We can go into the tactics.

00:26:05: New Orleans, I know that you've been but is a dysfunctional city.

00:26:09: That has suffers from rolling blackouts constantly right?

00:26:13: So they needed the power plant and in pole after pole after poll sure.

00:26:18: Sure.

00:26:19: I mean couldn't look on energy expert.

00:26:21: But they need to plan.

00:26:22: go into warlands spend few weeks there.

00:26:25: You'll see.

00:26:25: they have power outages.

00:26:26: so They need it In fact in pole After Pole after pole seventy eighty percent of people supported this idea because they, they support the idea of the plant.

00:26:36: What happened?

00:26:37: Well you got a small minority—this one I said it were for the common sense —small minority of people who opposed this plan but those are the people that probably lived nearer to it and They were organizing against it right.

00:26:53: so there was a smaller minority then opposed it.

00:26:56: vast majority supported Right?

00:26:59: Of course you need people to organize.

00:27:01: But the problem is, People who are going be directly affected by something Are gonna show up To The Meeting.

00:27:07: People Who Are Gonna Overall Benefit From Something Are Going Go About Their Lies And They're Not Gonna Do It.

00:27:13: So That's Where Companies Like Us Come In To Do That!

00:27:19: As A Result We Having People Out There To Be Paid in Support of Their Sincere Position shared by eighty percent of new war leans I feel like makes a lot of sense.

00:27:32: and in fact that plant was approved.

00:27:34: this whole everything else is just performative Outrage for clickbait.

00:27:39: For the media, you know to mean because i know uh, my other English friend John Oliver was mad about it.

00:27:46: You know like whatever?

00:27:48: Like It's just all performative outrage.

00:27:50: you know self masturbatory.

00:27:52: Okay

00:27:52: I hear you and its a strong argument that your saying these people essentially the same argument isn't it?

00:27:57: The normal people are too busy going on their lives And you don't want small groups of people who have got to much time in hand.

00:28:02: so yeah i hear Another one for you.

00:28:06: That same year, a Czech investor sued you under federal racketeering law over protests outside his home and campaign to push him off the Dartmouth and Aspen boards.

00:28:15: now You've called these claims Meritless.

00:28:18: are they meritless?

00:28:19: Because you were being paid by some sort of investment fund To do that against arrival based on some sort mining contract in The Czech Republic.

00:28:28: I just wanted to know what What your take was on that And if there's anything

00:28:35: That one has been resolved and there was actually that was resolved.

00:28:40: And I want to think it's about a legal process, so the first one I can comment about because there wasn't litigation

00:28:46: before you handed over your documents.

00:28:48: You agreed to testify against the man who hired you when he published an apology?

00:28:51: We've got a bit of the apology here.

00:28:52: That's what I read

00:28:54: is One of those ones where Because if not The legal fact that this was all resolved on a legal basis I can't really give a further comment on something that was resolved.

00:29:06: So like it is kind of interesting actually do have, like an interesting analysis on this.

00:29:10: so Like there's always litigation back and forth on different things from like just in general like i'm not talking about myself but What's interesting?

00:29:20: Is in the media people are like oh well what's your comment on this through that in legal?

00:29:24: Well unfortunately in the legal setting as once something has resolved or even as something is ongoing, you can't necessarily comment on it.

00:29:31: So once it's resolved and I think it was resolved

00:29:35: to everyone's satisfaction... Okay do you still advertise for people?

00:29:39: Because I'm sure we've got listeners who probably may be free sometimes that would love to help out.

00:29:45: are you still advertising or they're still an ongoing thing kind of recruiting people?

00:29:50: oh well because we're constantly doing events recruiting people and we're always interested in more people if they are enthusiastic, really passionate.

00:30:07: I've seen this one!

00:30:11: Is that true?

00:30:11: That you were looking for very tall people who were big because they're more intimidating apparently.

00:30:16: is that constructive?

00:30:17: Well the LA Times just took out a word-out of context.

00:30:22: which way did it take out of context?

00:30:23: Intimidation.

00:30:25: And so what I meant was the word intimidating has two meanings.

00:30:31: Intimidating can be used like menacing and intimidating could use a strong presence, this hundred foot tree as an intimidating present.

00:30:41: OK it's interesting

00:30:41: usage of

00:30:43: language yeah.

00:30:44: Yeah but that is interesting.

00:30:45: you guys invented the language not me... So when i would say though We're always on the lookout for people and the reason is because I want people who are Pasha So let's just say we're doing an event pushing for police funding.

00:31:05: I Want people who support police funding?

00:31:08: They're the most effective out of

00:31:09: them as convincing.

00:31:10: someone says

00:31:10: I have a convenience store corner store And I worry about people who aren't menacing me right.

00:31:17: so Those type that people are actually going to be more convincing than some random person who doesn't care about the issue.

00:31:25: So I find that if you have sincere people, not only is it more ethical and believing.

00:31:31: so look obviously there.

00:31:33: we've been in business for fifteen years.

00:31:35: There's going to be cases like Starbucks.

00:31:39: sometimes get a coffee isn't great But overall, you want to have a good coffee.

00:31:45: I don't-I mean.

00:31:46: in Britain You Have Costa Coffee which is... I really don't like it.

00:31:49: Not

00:31:49: big fun myself either.

00:31:50: no reminds me of service stations.

00:31:53: Yeah so that i Really Don't Like Your.

00:31:55: Never Gonna Get It But I Want To Be More Like Starbucks.

00:31:57: Where?

00:31:57: You're gonna get A Good Cup Of Coffee Now!

00:32:00: I Like To Have People Who Are Really Good People who are Really Enthusiastic About The Cause And That's Going To be more Effective.

00:32:10: and In Fact Not only we kind of went in earlier to this segment is that?

00:32:14: We vet the causes, but we also vet the people for two things number one.

00:32:18: We want them to be enthusiastic about The thing they're supporting with Number Two.

00:32:22: We actually um Wanted them To Be Um We want Them to Be Committed to our Principles Of Peaceful Respectful Advocacy.

00:32:32: Okay

00:32:33: and And That Actually Costs Us Money.

00:32:36: I'll put it This way I feel like you should interview

00:32:38: them.

00:32:39: It seems... You shouldn't be interviewing people that are going to go out and do that if they're criminals or something.

00:32:46: Well, well i would put it this way That costs us money.

00:32:49: A lot of our clients just get us bodies And i tell them no We have to Get quality People Even If that Costs Us a little more money.

00:33:00: I'm going to wrap up.

00:33:01: Really appreciate your time.

00:33:02: by the way, this has been a really fascinating channel thank you.

00:33:05: Last thing a genuine one.

00:33:07: You've built company that can manufacture The appearance of public support for people who can pay And and you explained me how they can be diced and sliced either way depends Who it is on what's going on?

00:33:18: It sounds like you think very deeply about these things as well.

00:33:22: When you imagine the country that maybe this kind of practice could leave behind a place where sentiment, it may be bought by the hour.

00:33:30: Is that democracy?

00:33:32: That you'd want your family to live

00:33:34: in?".

00:33:36: Well... It's good question and I would actually say The Right Of Protest is actually helps more often the less powerful.

00:33:46: we talked about insurance companies But we didn't get into big tech, but we've taken on Big Tech.

00:33:52: delete Facebook.

00:33:53: We have confronted Facebook on their misleading algorithms that turn Americans against each other and also turned people outside the United States against each Other arguably fomented a genocide in Myanmar You know about ten years ago against Muslims.

00:34:10: so we've taking on these companies.

00:34:12: here's the thing.

00:34:14: large billionaire interests can buy up our politicians, they could create a revolving door of lobbyists and congressmen and parliamentarians.

00:34:24: Right?

00:34:25: They can hire the best lawyers to draft out any court case for years.

00:34:31: but one thing that they cannot stop is the right people to assemble not in this country nor America.

00:34:38: so yes We do charge for our services.

00:34:41: And yes, our services are not cheap.

00:34:42: but

00:34:43: when I shoot protesters that's something that sticks to me there.

00:34:48: I agree in principle.

00:34:49: we're agreeing on the...we both agree people should be able speak they should build a protest.

00:34:53: But when government agents essentially seem like their assassinating certain members of public who were at wrong side i feel it leads into distorted society.

00:35:04: Wait can you maybe expand onto last part?

00:35:07: A distorted society?

00:35:08: so If people are, it leads to a society where people will feel like they can't go out and exercise their right to protest because there's the fear of physical retribution from the state.

00:35:20: Well that's unacceptable!

00:35:22: That's not acceptable?

00:35:23: Okay... And its certainly unacceptable.

00:35:25: what I've seen in UK-I know that The Crown Prosecution Service has rolled back some of the think before you post Straight up Orwellian, I'm sure you agree.

00:35:35: Yeah And you can't hold a sign with certain phrase on it or say in public without being

00:35:39: dragged away.

00:35:41: You know what's so funny is the American right has been up and arms about this But as you know of be on the left This those same rules have been used against environmentalist advocates.

00:35:52: Do you know when London were a group of environmentalists?

00:35:54: On a zoom call they didn't even block the motorway around London.

00:35:57: They just went to a Zoom call and there'd been locked for

00:35:59: several years.

00:36:01: It this isn't saying yeah Sitting in support of that and merely expressing support this.

00:36:10: Yeah, it's a. this is so.

00:36:12: I think It's actually unfortunate.

00:36:14: That more liberate ACLU types in the United States haven't gone on board with This because frankly they'll lefted.

00:36:20: The Left has also suffered in England as a result of Of this time?

00:36:25: I mean it seems like there They're rolling it back.

00:36:27: you know Like for example What's his name?

00:36:29: The jail, the father Ted guy.

00:36:31: The Irish gentleman who was arrested at Heathrow.

00:36:34: Yeah that it was the right a grained line and his name is yeah

00:36:37: I watch Father Ted when I lived in.

00:36:40: And I used to live in Ireland as a kid an like.

00:36:42: I use to watch this show whatever.

00:36:43: Like what he said was offensive.

00:36:45: I agree will criticize him on Twitter.

00:36:47: criticized them wherever but what you said cannot possibly be illegal.

00:36:52: write similarly those environmentalists on the zoom call can't possibly be legal.

00:36:56: so I agree that if the state was, but what?

00:37:00: I've seen yes.

00:37:01: You are right That the ice has treated protesters unacceptably.

00:37:05: But overall we have the right to protest in this country and you've seen by and large that that that has been affirmed And i am here and i've regularly Been an advocate against censorship whether it's come under The biden administration or under the trump administration.

00:37:22: i'm an equal opportunity person because frankly My business thrives on free speech, so I'm doing it for my own self-interest.

00:37:31: But i oppose the any kind of censorship you know by either right or left wing.

00:37:38: Okay um

00:37:39: thank you for the chat.

00:37:40: really appreciate it.

00:37:41: Adam Swart from Cribbs On Demand.

00:37:43: Um what a fascinating chat.

00:37:45: Thank You very much.