Who Really Owns Hoopla?

00:00:00: On a weekend it was Mighty Hoopla in London at Brockwell Park, hair off of Loose Women.

00:00:04: She was there...

00:00:06: And someone else celebrating over the weekend was Denise!

00:00:09: Now she surprised the crowds at The Mighty Hootplaat Music Festival, she surprised us as well by arriving on stage with an urgent weather warning.

00:00:26: Great Dad Vin was a heterosexual drag act in Whitney Bay and when I was at drama school all other kids were being taken to McDonald's.

00:00:37: I was been taken to the black cap in Camden Town.

00:00:41: So, i might as well be gay!

00:00:45: so is Jane McDonald?

00:00:46: Aswell...I

00:00:47: just think it's gonna be wild because I know The Crowd and I Know The Setlist.

00:00:52: there are going to be some iconic covers on that And I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE THE BIGGEST PARTY.

00:00:57: It cut an edge.

00:00:58: Twenty thousand of us glitter, good intentions.

00:01:01: Many people waving free Palestine flags.

00:01:03: but did you know that four floors up past the rainbow logo and passed The Autonomy?

00:01:07: there exists a level of the financiers who happen to include one Of the biggest Israeli media companies in the world And someone invests money into automated weapons.

00:01:18: This is Outcast World

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00:01:49: Nick Charles joins me.

00:01:51: I was gonna say from The Loud Brand Gaze that's your podcast.

00:01:54: No

00:01:55: Why my podcast?

00:01:55: You're not outcast

00:01:56: OG.

00:01:58: Yeah, I know but from the garage to the professional studios look at us now.

00:02:06: Six years of growth.

00:02:08: I'm pretty sure about this one.

00:02:11: I know it's six years, six year baby.

00:02:14: Hang

00:02:14: on two thousand and yeah It is five years actually seems really old.

00:02:20: we're coming up to episode one hundred fifty.

00:02:22: i think that was coming really soon.

00:02:23: We never had a hundredth birthday.

00:02:25: I don't know what to do with that.

00:02:26: It was being a hot weekend, it's

00:02:30: been a hot couple of weeks and living abroad very

00:02:35: hot the weekend in always crazy.

00:02:38: i literally took my because as you know i had like long locks yesterday and i was like actually i need to take my hair out Because there is something about the heat In this country That i just can't deal With.

00:02:49: The heat in Trinidad Great.

00:02:50: the heat in Spain Great.

00:02:52: the Heat in Ibiza Amazing.

00:02:59: Well,

00:03:02: this weekend's been a really quiet one.

00:03:04: So my other halfs are big Arsenal supporters you know?

00:03:09: They were happy because they won the league.

00:03:13: We

00:03:13: watched the Champions League final in our house and I had all of the sadness that came back from when i was in Liverpool.

00:03:20: You've

00:03:22: been in a room.

00:03:23: cause them to lose.

00:03:24: So the problem is men,

00:03:28: man.

00:03:28: The problem's me and that will always be same.

00:03:31: There was another thing I noticed this weekend.

00:03:33: there were lots of people on social media getting trained down London doing it.

00:03:40: London!

00:03:41: She's on her way to London.

00:03:43: London?

00:03:46: But it wasn't too far isn't?

00:03:48: No, no

00:03:51: now.

00:03:51: Now I stand.

00:03:55: I stand firmly are not going to hoopla and that's not me being a bitch.

00:03:58: But if i stand on business?

00:04:00: I am standing on business as you might know And this is not.

00:04:03: This Is Not A read To Anyone but it's just the truth As It Is.

00:04:06: Everyone Recently Has Just Been You Know Start Trying To Stand On The Right Side Of History Was Like Yes Free Palestine everyone's free dot-Dot-DOT.

00:04:15: However There'S A Lot Of festivals That Have A lot of Um weapon manufacturer companies that are hosting these big stuff aka hoopla and plus in a lot of places.

00:04:28: And I was a little bit disappointed because There's a lot Of people.

00:04:32: who was on at that stage, it was in the crowd.

00:04:34: Who is you know all very much like free palestine?

00:04:37: You know trying to stride up performative.

00:04:41: performative Because yeah It feels a little but later out i don't need To get your money get you get your penny get your points.

00:04:48: But for me its like.

00:04:50: You can be supporting a festival like that when you know it is run by massive companies.

00:04:55: Like, I'm pretty sure from my knowledge of my Googling... ...I am pretty sure its owned by the KKR ownership and there's a lot controversy around as you might know.

00:05:08: And they are... ...adults.. I'm really sure their pro-Palestinian.

00:05:15: This what i was trying to remember Pro pro.

00:05:19: Well, this is where it gets a little bit crazy here and I don't know what happens here But there was that backlash.

00:05:25: were pro-Palestinian activist groups an artist targeted KK.

00:05:30: our own events using the private equity giants financial investment in Israeli corporations operating Occupied Palestinian territories and German media group Axel Springer on weapons manufacture firms.

00:05:43: now II Don't know how dad reads to you but I read for me.

00:05:49: It's blood money running these kind of events and people need to know what the game is up into.

00:05:54: Uh, two thousand and twenty four was bought by that KKR.

00:06:11: They're a big private equity film.

00:06:12: there were yeah they spent one point three billion dollars on it And hoopla says he had no involvement No knowledge or any of that.

00:06:20: however right um apparently hoopla has gone further than they own.

00:06:25: A number of festivals including you know sonar obviously is that in Barcelona?

00:06:27: Yeah and all that stuff, yeah.

00:06:31: So apparently they... Hoopla has gone a lot further than Sonar and all like haven't they?

00:06:37: A lot of them.

00:06:37: festivals have done a lot work but Hooplah did manage to satisfy somehow some of the protesters against it didn't he?

00:06:43: so they issued some sort statement even though their owned by Axel Media or something big Israeli corporations behind this

00:06:52: really isn't there.

00:06:53: Yeah I think how little bit hard-working because i've seen so many people Very much likes want to stand in the right side of history, but how could you wanna sound at a right house?

00:07:02: History and you're not doing your research way going into and like I'm pretty sure like we all But all meant to be locked-in include up.

00:07:08: And it's just kind of disappointing that those jobs might take.

00:07:11: Of course obviously The reason why didn't also then go is because I don't get both.

00:07:14: as a second reason

00:07:21: No, I don't know.

00:07:23: Like how is it run?

00:07:24: Can you play?

00:07:25: would you donate wooden or do not?

00:07:26: no

00:07:27: no i think i Think i think um at that point in my life where i'm very happy to say no the things That i dont find joyan and if i know join

00:07:38: hoopla though Or would you have just gone, no this is too much against my values at all?

00:07:42: Yeah

00:07:43: exactly.

00:07:43: You know what it is I feel like.

00:07:46: on the cost of pride and considering that's happening right now i think there are bigger things we should be putting our money towards and events like those that happen to usotations.

00:07:55: It probably knocked me back but if any one wants to go see jay mcdonald sing a little song then she usually sings on ITV every week.

00:08:08: You go to that.

00:08:08: If Jenny

00:08:10: MacDonald on, she was wasn't she?

00:08:12: She was and so did Denny's Welch.

00:08:14: Do

00:08:14: you remember me?

00:08:15: and you at two we did some work don't we?

00:08:17: And were like is there... We won't write name any names but Is this the right thing To do?

00:08:22: Two years ago?

00:08:27: Two Years ago Where

00:08:28: did both of us do Some bits?

00:08:33: Graham, don't let people think we have a religion that isn't platonic by saying some bit.

00:08:39: Remember

00:08:40: that place with the best!

00:08:41: Um, no but like you know we've worked for a company

00:08:45: that has

00:08:45: question marks around its activities.

00:08:47: Yes of course!

00:08:48: You know I knew more than anyone.

00:08:50: But part-of-you wants to make the difference Part-of you want money and

00:08:56: at the end We work hard to make those differences because i'm pretty sure was one of the only person who got asked back twice And, and that for me was like is this am I being bravo?

00:09:11: Am i the show puppet.

00:09:13: Are my?

00:09:13: are my hitting your diversity quarter?

00:09:15: you don't know

00:09:17: Would you

00:09:18: or do you?

00:09:18: no

00:09:20: It's all down to me as the evil be on

00:09:25: it.

00:09:26: Oh Of course Is true and My whole thing is my hold.

00:09:30: my whole thing isn't right.

00:09:31: II Like.

00:09:33: As you know, I love Pride.

00:09:50: And it's just like, I don't know what is the moral high ground we're meant to take now because people are saying one thing and doing another.

00:10:13: Where are going with everything at any minute?

00:10:16: The trans folks are suffering...the black and queer are suffering Because for example there's no UK Black Pride this year which is very disheartening as you might know.

00:10:26: Is

00:10:26: that similar reasons to Hoopla?

00:10:28: I've heard it's so hard to disentangle yourself from sponsors who are not up-to the neck in something and all of the prides, and all at the festivals like... You can't remove yourself from some of that corporate money.

00:10:39: that's been sort sometimes working with IDF or doing something that you might find morally questionable.

00:10:44: It has become harder isn'it

00:10:47: Yeah!

00:10:48: And i think my problem is this There is going to be a queer person in every single walk of life, and every single workplace.

00:11:01: It's inevitable!

00:11:03: And I think not more-and-more.

00:11:06: you just...I'm seeing people like not getting the sponsors, y'know?

00:11:09: thing Like for example Manchester Pride Like, they had to put it all back and now give it back the people in their city.

00:11:17: The village stuff.

00:11:18: And I think

00:11:19: that's better as a villager right?

00:11:21: Yeah!

00:11:21: It is way better But like...I know for a fact People don't want associate themselves with certain brands or things but there are people out here who just choose To associate themself With those big brand Just because They wanna have you know?

00:11:35: Sniff little poppers Have a little dance here You know..and its just.

00:11:40: Where is the moral high ground?

00:11:43: Who do we need to speak with, okay.

00:11:46: What are people that aren't on their right side?

00:11:48: because I know as much of it pains me to say this sometimes you just need a big corporation but not when there's blood money involved.

00:12:00: Yeah getting harder isn't it ?

00:12:02: I feel like ten years ago.

00:12:05: your supply chains are difficult.

00:12:07: You're not net zero yet, but now it's kind of like there are people literally dying and they're dying sometimes with the assistance of AI tools that are sort of automating warfare.

00:12:17: And one other company behind Hoopla for example does have involvement in AI warfare, automated weapons.

00:12:26: And it's difficult to know like what you know the number of places.

00:12:29: do people behind a certain well known streaming platform also not wanting to be flagged Also have money that they've put into AI Weapons?

00:12:39: It's late.

00:12:40: That seems to where the money is now.

00:12:42: I mean i'd put all my Money in two Ai Weapons.

00:12:44: if You Know

00:12:45: Well I wish I had money.

00:12:46: I was I was a Hadmine to play into AI Not the weapons.

00:12:54: No, I will say this though If anyone does have... you know if anyone wants to make dildo weapons of mass ass destruction and want to support that money

00:13:09: Yeah

00:13:11: let's make some big destructing assholes with dildos.

00:13:17: Let's get our money in.

00:13:19: Let's get that money.

00:13:22: I

00:13:22: think it is time for part two.

00:13:23: Queer politics, sex

00:13:26: and culture outcast world

00:13:28: Can't believe this.

00:13:29: other things happened.

00:13:30: I don't know if you know.

00:13:32: boys had its Instagram deleted like three times.

00:13:36: they've got up to a hundred K deleted now again.

00:13:40: another brand we love

00:13:44: Someone's a brand that I am.

00:13:46: That is very dear to my heart.

00:13:47: like as you guys might know, I am a resident DJ at DILF have been there ever since.

00:13:53: You know it's crazy right before we get into the story Do you know?

00:13:56: I used to go to Dilf when i was Hello A little baby gay didn't?

00:14:00: no they don't know about sucking dick Didn't know how to use my how not-to-use teeth when sucking dick, you know all that jazz back in today When I wasn't I used to go to Dills and I was, I used be this little baby gay in the crowd.

00:14:14: Never wore leather didn't know it.

00:14:15: even now I don't even wear that because you know just fine if not make... It makes me look like i'm going to get cooked.

00:14:22: Even less rubber as well!

00:14:26: You know people go out wearing rubber?

00:14:27: Yeah

00:14:29: no..I can do it.

00:14:31: I love it , I love the look of it on me.

00:14:35: Like I am gonna get cooked.

00:14:37: But I used to be in D.L.F when i was a baby, and for me playing D. L.F years later really is a full circle moment.

00:14:45: For anyone who

00:14:46: doesn't know it's kind of fetish but not fetish like the one at Manchester quite fetish.

00:14:50: When we went there I thought that should have been wearing a harness And then missed our boat with that.

00:14:57: That's a different cut.

00:15:01: There are people wearing some gear, but there is no dark room or anything on site of that.

00:15:06: So

00:15:06: it depends... I mean, there was cruising happening in the Ivory Tea bathrooms But that's contrary to popular belief!

00:15:13: I have NO note on THAT!

00:15:16: I cannot confirm or deny!

00:15:19: So, Ivory tea?

00:15:20: Love you!

00:15:20: Long time!

00:15:21: But what i will say is this though More and more, I'm seeing a lot of queer platforms on Instagram.

00:15:27: that is owned by Metta.

00:15:29: It's being taken down because they are putting out content that Metta & Co don't agree with which is absolutely crazy!

00:15:38: Because let be real right?

00:15:40: You're going to turn your blind eye on AI generated stuff.

00:15:44: all the top-of-the-robinism stuff as it's just floating around would hate fascism.

00:15:48: left right hand center.

00:15:49: but a little gay man showing a bit skin you've taken.

00:15:53: We are in the fucking end games.

00:15:56: The reason I've never even I've Never seen anything that's gone.

00:15:59: Well, this is what

00:16:01: I am saying now.

00:16:02: since I have been on DILF I Have never seen Anything more but a bit of skin being shown.

00:16:08: Nothing to irritate nothing nothing No thing nothing got nothing.

00:16:12: That it's pushing the boundaries or this.

00:16:15: if i've seen.

00:16:16: i've Seen less on straight.

00:16:17: i've see more on straight boy Instagram.

00:16:19: let's be real i

00:16:20: have dick printers everywhere

00:16:22: Literally different left, right and center.

00:16:25: Obviously we love it.

00:16:26: but you catch my drift And I don't understand how there are content of hate fascism just being floated around freely.

00:16:33: But then where?

00:16:35: where matter your your this?

00:16:37: You're not seeing that.

00:16:38: what you're seeing a bit of skin and a bit a bit Oh shut up man.

00:16:43: Yeah

00:16:43: No no and its um.

00:16:45: you wonder where the complaints come from when It's kind of like failing to realise is that they take one of these accounts down.

00:16:52: They're taking a sex positive account, or a queer countdown and their taken away like alot people's community aren't there?

00:16:57: A lot peoples' opportunities just literally connect with other peopl and business...a small businesses ability sort-of like..they are good bunch at Dilf!

00:17:05: I'll tell you why theyre a good bunch.

00:17:06: i know this because ive been with Nick the next day.

00:17:08: Do you know what I mean?

00:17:12: That's always a sign of good business when you send Bill in and they're like, right mate with Pager.

00:17:16: And there are good eggs!

00:17:17: They don't deserve this.

00:17:19: so do wonder where it ends... When the outcast one gets taken down for no reason… There is nothing flesh on

00:17:27: that.

00:17:29: Right?!

00:17:31: We've had some very interesting conversations about you being fisted all that stuff.

00:17:35: Contrary to popular belief.

00:17:36: by the way The content is out there if you don't believe us.

00:17:41: I found

00:17:41: it myself the other day.

00:17:43: You know your own clips come back at yeah, what the fuck?

00:17:46: I'd forgotten some of this stuff.

00:17:47: i've said and have been on tiktok And like who's this fucking?

00:17:56: oh

00:17:58: that to me Yeah

00:18:03: No So he says when he was getting a little packed He wasn't saying about two years ago

00:18:12: Who's going to get taken down next?

00:18:13: It's mad.

00:18:14: And you know what it all is, its like another effort at like.

00:18:17: we had that last time.

00:18:18: You're

00:18:18: silencing people!

00:18:20: Yeah just silence

00:18:21: and complete erasure because we've raised trans people from public life.

00:18:25: now they are moving elsewhere.

00:18:27: the targets have been widened.

00:18:29: look your social media platforms government in a certain country and they're like that with each other.

00:18:37: And this is the agenda now,

00:18:39: but did we not say it?

00:18:41: A couple of months ago you me and Sofa sat down on this lap on this exact podcast.

00:18:52: It's happening and it might not happen like this.

00:18:55: It will happen slowly, but surely Like a wolf in the night?

00:18:59: A will happen And when it does people be like what's going on because let me tell you limit limits.

00:19:04: I was just about to say right tiptoe The brand-new Russell two Davies series at launch last night on channel.

00:19:09: I haven't

00:19:09: seen yet

00:19:11: i haven't But that I don't know about you, but my Instagram is very based on where i live in Manchester.

00:19:18: And I haven't seen enough of that in Alaska and I'm just like... Interesting!

00:19:24: I've seen quite a bit about it.

00:19:26: What do mean?

00:19:27: Like the promotion?

00:19:29: Yeah meaning something to engage men, the FYP or life.

00:19:35: It kind of just floated away and was interesting.

00:19:39: That is interesting, isn't it?

00:19:40: Yeah.

00:19:41: I've seen a bit of a burst of stuff there but like what i'm going to do because another episode coming late this week obviously uh...I'm gonna watch it tonight.

00:19:48: Tofa's watching It Tonight as well and we're going to report back on what was in the first

00:19:51: one.

00:19:51: Maybe I'll Watch It Tonight As Well cause I haven't watched it yet either.

00:19:53: Yeah!

00:19:54: Watch it Tonight Let us know What You Think Because I got This Right.

00:19:57: Here Is A Really Interesting Take On Tiptoe Which We Will Come To On Our Next Episode

00:20:00: In About Forty-Eight Hours.

00:20:01: But Um..A Friend Of Mine Works For Never Used To But I Know Someone That Works For

00:20:09: Reform.

00:20:11: Oh, oh those people.

00:20:13: yeah

00:20:14: Wow

00:20:15: Yeah.

00:20:16: and this guy was saying to me like he watched tiptoe And said said it made him feel flat afterwards, like queer as folk when I was...I'm a bit older than you are now and obviously there's the UK thing mainly but i'm sure you'll have seen that.

00:20:32: Well I watched both American and UK.

00:20:35: yeah of course I watch them.

00:20:37: Do you know how big that was?

00:20:37: Like

00:20:38: the euphoria around like when your..I was what?

00:20:40: Yeah.

00:20:40: The fifteen-sixteen minute come out at same age is just main character And I thought wow this is really good!

00:20:45: This is opposite to that apparently.

00:20:47: Tiptoe is apparently the opposite feeling And this guy was like, it made me feel I want some more community in my life and i wanna give back.

00:20:54: Yeah you literally are helping divide us... ...and I liked his person!

00:21:01: Sorry that here's an example again of just by existing the way the world is right now.

00:21:06: we're putting our toes into different camps.

00:21:08: no one has come out with anything clean at the moment are they?

00:21:11: We'll watch

00:21:12: that tonight.

00:21:12: let me know

00:21:14: what your

00:21:15: think.

00:21:17: Lovely to catch up as usual

00:21:19: Of course, always a pleasure.

00:21:21: Never hate show.

00:21:23: See

00:21:24: you soon!

00:21:29: Bye!