RIGHT WING GAYS ARE NOT WELL!

00:00:00: Right, hello.

00:00:00: Welcome to Outcast World.

00:00:02: I am Graeme Smith.

00:00:02: on today's episode i'm sitting down with Gareth Valentino and Amy Spaulding.

00:00:06: you know them from.

00:00:08: I Kiss the Girl And I kissed the boy that was on The BBC, but the BBC cancelled them.

00:00:13: So they've got a brand new podcast together called It Started With A Kiss.

00:00:17: it's out now via ITV Studios and its dating show But there also bringing some genuinely brilliant guests like Joshua Cavallo.

00:00:26: We talked about that across our socials this week and to their credit as well we managed when we get them on shortly To have proper political conversation which i think is really relevant considering what happened at the end of last week.

00:00:38: disclosure, during the interview I was under the influence of pain meds.

00:00:48: I've got a little neck injury so they put me on like five different things...five In the interview, I did with them.

00:01:04: I'm genuinely sort of like...I am in pain at times!

00:01:06: Can you tell?

00:01:07: You're about to find out.

00:01:09: But there are moments when i'm sort-of a yeah... I think I style it out and see what YOU think that's coming up first.. I want to talk to you about What happened in the local elections this week because It really matters.

00:01:22: Remember we did an episode if you've listened To The Show That Long Back in twenty twenty four about Labour winning the general election and what a huge thing that was.

00:01:33: And the same is true of Trump as well, isn't it?

00:01:35: We've given that... ...the Trump victory which has changed everything in the world.

00:01:39: we're giving that attention I think he deserves.

00:01:43: but elections in the UK last week they weren't a general election.

00:01:48: there were some misunderstandings on street amongst the stupid about kick out Stammer!

00:01:54: They could.

00:01:55: these elections could result in Starmer being kicked out but not because you're voting him out.

00:01:59: Which I thought was mad that people just didn't realise, it's the local council elections... The local elections around UK and some elections into Scottish Parliament and Welsh parliament as well as Senedd.

00:02:13: What?

00:02:13: Two Ds?

00:02:14: is that a

00:02:14: thing?!

00:02:17: So what happened on Thursday looks to me like a genuine fragmentation of British politics.

00:02:24: We've been talking about it for a while, but look at the votes split like seven different ways and that's just in England And It tells us something really important where things are going not only around the UK But all over the world.

00:02:36: Let me give you headline numbers.

00:02:37: Reform UK is the clear winner In England with over a thousand net gains Average vote share of around twenty-five percent That across more than five hundred wards They have taken control Of places such as Walsall Sandwell Bradford The week played game to fund games.

00:02:52: We have lots of fun.

00:02:54: And when a place to come up with guests, there's a place around the corner from where I live and they're not gonna say what it is.

00:02:59: but we were like that figures?

00:03:01: So you can look at them places and go.

00:03:03: yeah...we could've played a Game of Bingo or Stoke-on-Train all kind of stuff.

00:03:07: They won their first council seat in London as well.

00:03:11: in Havering In leave voting areas The average vote share hit forty per cent.

00:03:15: so everywhere that fancied her good ol' Brexit has voted forty percent for reform this time round.

00:03:21: And of course, forty percent across the whole country in a general election would just be... Yeah it wouldn't-.

00:03:26: It wouldn't be good for anyone.

00:03:28: I think you'd probably deliver them a landslide victory actually.

00:03:33: So at that moment is political movement building local power and if your not paying attention to that You're making the same mistake.

00:03:39: Airforms made since about twenty sixteen About Trump, about Maloney, about AFD Every populist right wing surger they like of the last decade.

00:03:48: And then look at what's happening on the other side as well in the big cities, In London The Big Urban Centre Labour is collapsing but the voters aren't going to the right.

00:03:58: No they're going to left!

00:03:59: The Greens have taken Hackney Again.

00:04:01: this a Game of Wallet Of course.

00:04:04: everywhere I've seen them like yeah it makes sense The Greens did quite well there.

00:04:07: The Greens took Hackney.

00:04:08: Anyone who knows Hackney will not be remotely surprised by that.

00:04:11: They also taking Lewisham which surprised me bit more But it fits the kind of like inner London council's pattern, doesn't it?

00:04:20: They've won mayoralties as well which is new for them.

00:04:22: They're surged across urban England.

00:04:24: their leader Zach Polanski Is out there saying two party politics is dead.

00:04:27: just like I am There For the first time in my lifetime The Greens might if things went the right way be able to think about forming a government or an opposition And you know at the very young.

00:04:43: So I'm on full disclosure, I here now am the Green Party WhatsApp group.

00:04:50: Full disclosure where are we?

00:04:52: Bromley Green Party is like so much going on in this.

00:04:57: it's a whole community of people who were insanely excited.

00:05:01: obviously and what i've realised from...I am a member of The Green Party now.

00:05:07: It will surprise no one!

00:05:10: What surprised me about This?

00:05:12: this?

00:05:12: what's that group I'm in and the campaign is the level of energy That I don't think we've seen since Jeremy Corbyn Energy amongst quite young people, quite idealistic People.

00:05:24: And i do worry that some of them are going to be disappointed somehow because when expectations Are set so high it's difficult To avoid disappointment unless you stay In opposition.

00:05:34: but my only concern Is You know, the way reformer brought in a load of Tories.

00:05:38: I feel like The Greens almost might need to bring some experience if they're gonna get anywhere near power and some places.

00:05:44: And i love them!

00:05:44: And you know...I'm saying that someone who's now self-identifying as A Green Um..i just worry.

00:05:51: Yeah we need more experience don't we?

00:05:54: To make sure everything goes fine because these people have all the right ideals, I just want it to go the right way.

00:05:59: But look at reform.

00:06:00: already they've lost like three councillors haven't we?

00:06:02: They had to step down for various reasons.

00:06:04: there's people being elected that are terrible opinions Like one who thought Nigerians should be melted-down to fill potholes.

00:06:12: That was one thing he said.

00:06:13: There is a whole manner of different accusations made against people and evidence as well.

00:06:19: by the way Who has been elected as reform councillor?

00:06:24: and look at what's happening to reform in all them areas.

00:06:27: They're just sort of the area that they've already got councils like Kent, there is the East Yorkshire local authority.

00:06:32: it's not working anywhere they are... ...isn't?

00:06:34: It's not workin'.

00:06:35: And so I think if you have won these councils then now we gotta deliver!

00:06:38: The most helpful thing for us could be the reform party absolutely stacking it Just infront of the general election.

00:06:46: For those who listen queer communities In minority communities and the kinds of urban spaces where diversity is kind-of everywhere.

00:06:53: It's not just theoretical, it is right in front here.

00:06:55: The question isn't who won the local elections?

00:06:58: I think what kind of country are we becoming?

00:07:05: and how can we see similarities that people have seen in France, Germany or Italy where grievance politics and culture war has been weaponised to build electoral coalitions at their edges are genuinely hostile like us.

00:07:19: so what next?

00:07:20: Does Starmer survive somehow?

00:07:24: does the left eventually unite around one party or does it stay fractured between Labour, The Greens, The Lib Dems and Reform.

00:07:35: And here's a really big question.

00:07:37: if you add the numbers up there is clear.

00:07:39: this is the one to bear in mind then something that I'm sure Kirstarmer and those advised him Gordon Brown Harriet Harman all them people not Andy Burnham.

00:07:47: This is the real Question Here.

00:07:50: If You Add The Numbers Up.

00:07:51: A Clear Majority of Votes In The UK Are Going To Parties That Somewhere are somewhere kind of sit around the centre-left or left.

00:08:00: Labour, Greens, Lib Dems... Collectively they command far more support than even a combination of Reform.

00:08:06: and the Conservatives and the DUP remember them?

00:08:09: But under first past the post system at majority is split three ways which means that it loses.

00:08:16: so does Labour finally accept that proportional representation?

00:08:22: It will never govern on its own again, but is that the only way to prevent us falling into what was essentially fascism?

00:08:27: Do they accept their rule of one party majority might be over.

00:08:31: Will they do the right thing?

00:08:32: who knows?

00:08:34: and if They are finished If The two-party systems finish at the Labour Party's finished the doors wide open for reform To keep building to keep consolidating to keep normalizing a politics That when you scratch underneath it has got some really dark things going up.

00:08:48: And that's the stakes.

00:08:49: That is why the local elections in UK really matters, they are the

00:08:52: U.K.'s

00:08:53: midterms Right!

00:08:54: Thats it my rant, thats done.

00:08:56: Here is my chat with Gareth Valentino and Amy Spalding for My Kiss The Boy and A Kiss The Girl.

00:09:00: Of course like I said i may be medicated on parts of this so see if you can tell

00:09:05: where.

00:09:06: On today's episode.

00:09:07: No don't think he quit but hes just not a fascist.

00:09:11: Um, so that's all the good stuff.

00:09:13: Okay fine we'll take

00:09:14: that.

00:09:15: People don't have um attention span for like TV

00:09:17: shows.

00:09:18: really anymore is

00:09:19: to be honest.

00:09:20: Do

00:09:20: you watch telly other than when your on it?

00:09:23: You just watch yourself

00:09:28: don't

00:09:29: ya?

00:09:32: I

00:09:33: would.

00:09:34: Sex.

00:09:35: Fating apps have become a breeding ground for the worst of human behaviors.

00:09:41: And culture What do you want to hold me?

00:09:43: We get together and we... Be simple.

00:09:45: Simple!

00:09:46: Be simple,

00:09:46: for me He will like go nush himself

00:09:48: off.

00:09:50: This is

00:09:51: Outcast

00:09:52: World Right.

00:09:55: I am joined by Gareth Valentino and Amy Spaulding, of course.

00:10:00: They work big names in.

00:10:02: I Kissed a Boy And I Kissed A Girl.

00:10:04: they were on our last episode.

00:10:05: we covered so much ground.

00:10:06: a lot of unexpected ground have got.

00:10:08: their new podcast which is kind of like it's been described as a spin-off podcast.

00:10:13: there's more to it than that isn't the guys?

00:10:15: There Is.

00:10:17: Yeah anything thats kinda spinning off.

00:10:19: is me and garrison

00:10:21: Love

00:10:21: It In the sense that it's obviously very different setup.

00:10:25: It is how we met, That why its called starting with a kiss.

00:10:26: Starting to be kissed with us and you know... Obviously it has been off in the senses.

00:10:32: just queer stories about dating.

00:10:34: I've provided out of the world as a boy once

00:10:39: And say it less produced more honest More messy.

00:10:43: Me or Naomi are the hosts.

00:10:44: We're kind asking these amazing guests About their life and experiences.

00:10:48: Life love everything in between.

00:10:51: So excuse me sipping coffee there don't mind me.

00:10:53: Um, so Christine McGinnis and Joshua Carillo They are.

00:10:59: they are incredible names to be having on the um-on the show.

00:11:01: first one I also his husband as well which i thought was really nice And that's online.

00:11:05: now Just dream.

00:11:07: it's tenderbacked your podcast isn't?

00:11:09: It does.

00:11:10: having gay and I say this Having being snipped sniffed out sniff doubt is a really bad description of what happened.

00:11:16: That was not sniffed up by anyone but I'm not I wouldn't rule it out.

00:11:19: Um, so um yeah but having dating brands dating platforms trying to back your podcast is always a good move I'd say and i'm always available to be sniffed out by any.

00:11:31: So Tinder is it's your one?

00:11:34: Does it make a bit of difference?

00:11:36: having a brand in the room does change what you say or are they really hands-off?

00:11:40: The chances if you slagging them off now?

00:11:42: zero

00:11:44: Yeah No...I think their pretty hands-of.

00:11:46: But also.

00:11:46: I mean tinder Is kind of like notoriously for straight people really, isn't it?

00:11:50: They've seen that like but now the fact they're back in a queer podcast is just amazing.

00:11:55: Yeah and I've worked with them before in Pride last year you know where there were amplifying different queer stories from different ages which was great.

00:12:04: It's honestly so hands off.

00:12:06: obviously we can talk about other dating brands as hard line of their limits welcoming to the fact that we're able put this on through Tinder.

00:12:23: They also let us be ourselves, I think?

00:12:25: Yeah!

00:12:25: That was kind of a key thing for me and Amy.

00:12:28: Tinder are so... they just like you guys were great at doing your thing speaking how you want when you want about anything you want obviously with limitations of language but... Can you

00:12:38: swear on it?

00:12:39: You have to swear on podcast.

00:12:40: surely you are.

00:12:41: It's a podcast.

00:12:43: What

00:12:44: can't

00:12:46: he say?

00:12:46: fuck?!

00:12:48: Can

00:12:50: say

00:12:51: anything worse than can say the C

00:12:53: word?

00:12:53: I

00:12:54: mean, i use it as

00:12:54: Conti.

00:12:55: It's fine!

00:12:57: Every second word of mine is a curse word.

00:12:58: so... I've had to really... wrap back

00:13:04: Do you know what I find...?

00:13:06: Go on.

00:13:06: sorry you were saying

00:13:09: No.

00:13:09: actually I was just

00:13:13: going to

00:13:13: say I'm trying not do that for my non-sacres.

00:13:16: It

00:13:16: slips out at home, doesn't

00:13:17: it?

00:13:17: Sometimes

00:13:18: my mum gets really angry.

00:13:20: Me generally!

00:13:21: So the BBC cancelled both your shows in March... The shows that you were involved with in the beginning, citing funding challenges.

00:13:29: four-in-ten queer TV characters have existed last year won't be back for twenty-twenty six.

00:13:34: What's going

00:13:35: on?!

00:13:36: Tell me what is going on?

00:13:37: Yeah, I

00:13:42: think it's just reflective of the kind of right-wing rhetoric that seems to be...

00:13:47: So are things in

00:13:48: the world?

00:13:49: Except

00:13:49: for Hungary.

00:13:50: It's interesting with... Well!

00:13:51: Is there...?

00:13:51: They're on

00:13:54: content themselves.

00:13:55: I don't know what's

00:13:56: that Hungarian

00:13:56: politics?!

00:13:57: Yeah

00:13:57: they did quite good but that was only the only

00:13:59: thing that happened is Hungary.

00:14:01: Yeah yeah yeah…I lectured

00:14:04: someone who's queer alright?

00:14:05: No, I don't think he's queer but not a fascist.

00:14:08: So that's always good stuff.

00:14:09: Okay fine

00:14:11: we'll take that one.

00:14:12: What is going on around the world?

00:14:13: You're saying Trump and all like it impacts him.

00:14:14: what everything...

00:14:15: It just a knob-on effect isn'it?

00:14:18: The right wing idiots at the top are gradually taken over again for whatever reason.

00:14:23: you know money power etc.

00:14:25: And that kind of feeds down to the younger generation.

00:14:30: I think its unfair because as a platform like the BBC that is supposed to, you know it's funded by taxpayer money so therefore should reflect taxpayers.

00:14:42: Yeah gay people are lesbians.

00:14:44: on tax payers also.

00:14:45: yeah

00:14:45: unfortunately we should be able to look at queer people.

00:14:48: I'm putting my money to see myself on screen so to have then kind of taken away feels.

00:14:54: I'm fair and like it's in a situation.

00:14:57: Obviously, like lives on forever Like it's one of those things where it's like.

00:15:00: that actually should be Valin.

00:15:01: It's like how many straight shows are there on TV?

00:15:03: We've got stuff.

00:15:04: Island might at first right.

00:15:08: That's what I mean.

00:15:08: What?

00:15:09: what's the couple little shows for us gonna do?

00:15:11: and it makes no sense like they argument of life in terms of like, even if ratings were low or viewership was low which we know is not true because I kiss a girl.

00:15:21: People messaging me all over the country... All over the world!

00:15:25: But I mean constantly-

00:15:26: I don't think that numbers would ever be a question though.

00:15:28: it's just like a niche streamer The broadest term streaming hit isn't?

00:15:33: Why did you take

00:15:33: off?!

00:15:36: And shouldn't matter.

00:15:38: In this sense If the whole world is straight Or if the whole nation majority straight, then you would expect straight shows to perform better and therefore like the queer show would perform worse in a sense that there's going be like... But

00:15:52: we even had street people who were fans.

00:15:54: No

00:15:54: exact case.

00:15:55: so it just feels expected though because as I say every year queer people are killed off on TV shows and plot lines and shows are cancelled.

00:16:05: So its fine but for some reason i thought we weren't

00:16:08: gonna have good solid run.

00:16:10: We've got this now and we're not going anywhere.

00:16:12: Yeah, exactly

00:16:13: they say that.

00:16:14: you know on.

00:16:14: it sounds a bit mad but A lot of what was in television is moving into podcasting.

00:16:19: if you look at all the TV schedules Now well That Traders show as a podcast.

00:16:22: yeah then put TVs getting cheaper And podcastings get a bit more visual under to our meeting somewhere.

00:16:29: so having a podcast It's got a visual thing Is kind of like its the sense I think isn't it?

00:16:34: I'm

00:16:35: just gonna see an art show feels Like that that hybrid hybrid of like

00:16:39: Telly, chat.

00:16:43: And that's where everything is.

00:16:44: I think at the moment it's a really good place to be.

00:16:46: It's like...it's a real good shoutout you're launching in the moment.

00:16:49: Yeah so its very accessible Which is great and it's budget friendly most of the time.

00:16:57: And also people don't have the... People dont' have attention span for TV shows really anymore.

00:17:03: To be honest We've not had the words moving.

00:17:05: Do

00:17:05: watch Telly other than when your on it?

00:17:08: He just votes

00:17:14: himself don't

00:17:15: ya?

00:17:16: No, I mean i watched like a good movie But if an episode's over twenty minutes.

00:17:21: I'm fucking sleeping.

00:17:22: I've got to scroll and watch.

00:17:32: make it easy It doesn't end.

00:17:35: All the bargains, all of negative news... Yeah!

00:17:37: ...all stuff about Trump?

00:17:39: We've actually talked about Trump just before.

00:17:41: I want to pin you down on this because i think like this is the single most.

00:17:45: This Is The Biggest Story in the world for our lives isn't it?

00:17:48: and it directly impacts queer people And People Like Us.

00:17:51: we're writing a firing line On this so I Just Think Its Really Good To Find Out What People In The Public I Think What is happening with Trump in America?

00:17:57: We'll all agree, I'm sure.

00:17:58: It's genuinely terrifying... ...I find it terrifying that the fact that I could come here and my husband family from the Caribbean we're all blended now aren't we?

00:18:07: And were are going to be impacted some way.

00:18:10: Ice, trans rights being disbandled, HIV funding gone.

00:18:13: millions will die off their backs.

00:18:14: Are you following this?

00:18:16: or what your thoughts on whats going there right now?

00:18:21: both of

00:18:22: ya.

00:18:23: It's hard not to follow it and I think as queer people we have a duty, to be fair.

00:18:28: As like human beings We have our duty To follow it And to empathize with what is going on across the pond Because also Like its completely reflected in whats happening over here as well And were almost following suit Everything that happens Over there.

00:18:39: Trump seems to be doing Theraage is like I'm gonna implement it Even with their eyes stuff.

00:18:47: There are talks of us getting our own kind Of fucking police to deal With immigration in humane ways ever.

00:18:56: It's bonkers and it is so scary.

00:18:57: but I think there are like glimpses of hope that i'm seeing, that I hold on to Like Zohan in New York Seeing the way he speaks And how he fights.

00:19:10: He doesn't just say stuff.

00:19:11: thats kind-of in the middle.

00:19:13: Very much does go for the full left wing.

00:19:16: Same with Zach Lanski.

00:19:17: Great party come one!

00:19:18: I know I saw him on a tube The other day.

00:19:21: Did you fangirl

00:19:23: him?

00:19:24: Yeah I banged out, literally went up and was like just want to say everything.

00:19:27: You've given me so much hope as a queer person.

00:19:30: all this and you shook my hand.

00:19:31: the fact that your riding the Piccadilly line right now... I love

00:19:35: it!

00:19:36: You did just to see Ken Livingston on the PicCadilly Line sometimes, bit mad.

00:19:39: By the way Zappalanski retweeted one of our tiktoks whatever its called whether we do or not on Tiktok And i thought stop doing this podcast and die a happy man.

00:19:53: I think that Zac is our guiding light in this instance, for you say.

00:19:57: And it's only picking up traction now like... It just seems to be getting bigger and bigger.

00:20:01: Bigger and bigger!

00:20:02: It's hard though because its' hard know if whether or not we're just a bubble of an echo chamber of liberal politics reflected back at us.

00:20:09: Because how is the stuff being passed?

00:20:12: In governments and parliaments?

00:20:15: sorry like how does it get through if everything we're seeing is green party and stuff, so liberal.

00:20:23: There's obviously the outside world.

00:20:24: I mean you see when a TikTok pops up on my page of some really insane right-wing things I have no idea.

00:20:37: Did

00:20:37: you not think Louis through or anyone, whenever any one even Piers Morgan on that day is more than what went at the moment they say anything to all these kids?

00:20:48: They just they're just full part there got bad.

00:20:51: look a club clavicular where it was he when on sixty minutes Australia The other day and asked him One question like do You thing something?

00:20:57: did we look so many wins.

00:20:59: i'm sorry That someone fucked your wife And Just walked off.

00:21:04: Oh, it's just the looks maxing guy.

00:21:05: Yeah offensive and it's like It's insane.

00:21:10: But I think give them enough rope they'll hide themselves.

00:21:13: They're doing so... The process of saying is so ridiculous And so stupid That hopefully anyone with a bit sense will see that be your fucking cause You know?

00:21:24: Like we have to let him do it.

00:21:26: Unfortunately

00:21:27: I think looking

00:21:28: at that in

00:21:29: Manchester, look at the Gorton by-election you could argue them kind of places.

00:21:34: everyone might be racist and it's so normal.

00:21:37: And what happened?

00:21:38: We turned out we're actually decent people and will vote for The Local Plumber.

00:21:42: Oh

00:21:42: my god!

00:21:42: It is incredible!

00:21:44: And she was like...it's just a fact.

00:21:46: there's such as story behind this of what the Green Party thought about.

00:21:50: She has got her plastering thing done.

00:21:55: I'm sorry, you have to cut soft.

00:21:56: You've got a

00:21:57: glass!

00:21:57: One of the people and like that's exactly who we... Like should be in power is people who reflect us can experience-like.. You know?

00:22:06: Have the same experiences as us And thats why it so important As queer people That We Should See People In Power Who Are Also Queer And Have Live The Same Or Say Trans And Have Living The Same Experiences As Us Because They're Going To Know What Is Best For Us.

00:22:19: Yeah As Oppose These Just Like Straight White Males who know nothing about female experience nor the queer experience, or anything and like...

00:22:29: Did you vote Labour last time?

00:22:33: Yeah I did.

00:22:34: As you know I voted...

00:22:36: Well

00:22:37: I voted for Back Home in Surrey And I voted Lib Down to sway The Conservative Vote which is great.

00:22:47: Gareth You said that you voted Labour But it's tough!

00:22:50: You regretted it but I did and I'm upset, i think.

00:22:54: I always knew that was going to end up upset voting Labour.

00:22:59: but what is it that's upset you about it?

00:23:02: No

00:23:04: just the promises we were given or told they weren't gonna get and haven't delivered or done the complete opposite of what he said they're doing like its literally in a worse position now than ever before.

00:23:18: If I was voting in London, I would have voted Labour.

00:23:20: Because you know there's that massive rhetoric.

00:23:23: That said Green Party ways to vote and it proved now It is actually not a way to vote.

00:23:29: but back then as well Labour wouldn't be the last people who would've stripped chance People's rights.

00:23:36: That would have been something that I'd thought they wouldn't've ever touched, and so it just absolutely makes you lose all faith in politics.

00:23:41: It's generally... Yeah?

00:23:42: Because

00:23:43: why would Labour do that?

00:23:44: then all of a sudden are doing this?

00:23:45: What?

00:23:45: what did you think about his streeting?

00:23:47: Because whenever you think at the very worst Of like a gay man A white gay man who has joined The Labour Party He got himself into power to shit on trans people.

00:23:57: And i'm like wow You really look like that thing off Thomas.

00:24:00: the Tank Engine as well It's face.

00:24:02: Looks like Gordon off-time rest of the tank engine.

00:24:04: The back controller?

00:24:05: No, no!

00:24:05: The back control with Gordon was one of the engines with a big wide face.

00:24:09: Oh go... Yeah

00:24:10: I mean again it's that old tale of just internalised homophobes in gay men Like come on Are you really thinking like, drinking that is gonna help whatsoever?

00:24:21: It's just

00:24:21: staffling because trans people when it comes to queer peoples' rights In general like the Marsha P. Johnson's and the Sylvia Rearers who are at... The reason, or part of such a big reason why we have rice as well?

00:24:35: So they're literally would be no LGB without the tea.

00:24:38: so how can you as a gay person sideline these trans stories?

00:24:42: not even sideline but come for them!

00:24:45: And it's like-

00:24:46: It's power grade is what it is.

00:24:48: Just care about that.

00:24:49: ultimately just wonderful bit want money and then wanna be on top.

00:24:53: America next to not all wanna do on top.

00:24:55: that's what it is.

00:24:56: That's all they care about as gay men tops

00:24:58: in the bedroom, tops in their

00:24:59: topside room

00:25:00: in parliament.

00:25:01: Yeah, tops and the

00:25:01: bedroom.

00:25:02: there's not a lot of them these days I've seen yeah?

00:25:05: They're in short supply.

00:25:06: those are our liars normally.

00:25:08: um guys these are all big issues and these are kind things.

00:25:12: i guess you can be touching on your new podcast with just this brilliant lineup of guests.

00:25:17: do want to give us an outline before we finish?

00:25:22: Yeah, I mean Christina Guinness obviously Josh Valor.

00:25:25: We've got Paris Luzi

00:25:28: Parisies

00:25:29: and Charlie Craggs specific.

00:25:30: You know that one about Thomas the Sank engine in a big wide-faced with Gordon?

00:25:33: That's charlie's just definitely.

00:25:37: Sorry, it's

00:25:39: like absolutely The most funny person.

00:25:41: this

00:25:41: is what it is though we wanted to chaos and

00:25:44: then also has such important stories.

00:25:48: What in representation of dating as a trans person and like

00:25:53: She's very moldy faster than that.

00:25:54: Yeah,

00:25:54: she said one minute I was pissing myself off being the next man.

00:25:57: i'm crying.

00:25:57: my eyes are like And it's just like, its so important and so needed.

00:26:03: It makes me smile to think of all the trans girlies listening to the broadcast.

00:26:07: you maybe are finding it easy.

00:26:08: Her stories.

00:26:09: I'm just like whoa.

00:26:10: she has so many stories about family or relationships but shes just so strong as well.

00:26:17: Exactly

00:26:17: that I need Paris & Charlie specifically.

00:26:19: they approve.

00:26:21: That is how it works out.

00:26:23: You have to keep going and knocking her up a

00:26:28: really strong person, you can tell.

00:26:30: A million lives and look at her now like she's everywhere!

00:26:34: Like... Her show has been so successful.

00:26:37: She's such an successful writer The first trans person to write for Vogue.

00:26:42: She is still nonchalant about what he's accolading.

00:26:43: It was just so down-to-earth.

00:26:45: but also I feel that she could hold on in any conversation.

00:26:51: Paris talks about how she very much platforms and like wants to give jobs two times here because there's so much.

00:26:57: Protect the Dolls, protect the dolls.

00:26:59: Give

00:26:59: The Dolls job!

00:27:00: Hey The Dollz!

00:27:02: She said as a trans woman I knew from an early age that I didn't need to do protests or anything but... ...I needed her in place of power So i could be on top before she could help me with what they made.

00:27:17: Well, Gareth, Amy it's been a great chat.

00:27:19: I've really enjoyed it and best of luck with your new podcast which is called It Started With A Kiss in association with Tinder.

00:27:25: Yes so best to look at the show.

00:27:26: Thanks for coming on

00:27:33: Outcast World!